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AMA: Gong Director of Pricing & Packaging Strategy, Daniel Kish on Pricing and Packaging


November 10, 2022 @ 10:00AM PT

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  1. How do you roll out pricing and packaging for a new product launch?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    Let's assume that you've got the pricing set, the feature packaging defined, and the product technically built. What happens next? Enablement! My laundry list of things to do includes: Work with the CPQ/Systems team to build out the commercial workflow of what a SKU looks like, how discount approvals and escalations flow, product special terms, and configuration policies Build a training deck for different audiences (Sales, CSMs, Implementation, Support, Deal Desk) that describes what the produc ...Read More

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  2. How do you think about pricing and packaging as it relates to competitive positioning?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    Really depends where you stack up in the competitive ranking.  Let's say there are three products: Mercedes, Toyota, Pontiac. The price reflects the package. That's why Mercedes are $50k and Toyotas are $25k.  Mercedes has premium leather and a host of other items "included in the price" to justify that price discrepancy.  When you're Mercedes, you double down on 1) the experience at every touch-point of being a customer (vs. at Toyota they're not giving you white-glove necessarily when you brin ...Read More

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  3. Who owns pricing? Product Marketing or Product Management? If both, how do you divide the responsibilities?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    If there are lots of products, typically you want someone minding the entire purchasing POV. 

    That means pricing is typically owned by Product Marketing. 

    Product tends to own pricing very early in a company's maturity or when PMs are particularly business minded on new markets vs. building in an established category.

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  4. How do you think about pricing when going from a single product to a multi-product platform?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    For starters, going multi-product is hard! Like, really hard! And it's typically for reasons outside of pricing and packaging: sellers need to communicate a bigger narrative (think the Customer 360 platform vs Sales Cloud at Salesforce) the product needs to have natural cross-sell points that seed reasons for a customer to expand support, success, and implementation will all need to level-up their knowledge to provide killer experiences But let's say you get past that. On the P&P side, here' ...Read More

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  5. How many price points and packages should I offer customers?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    There's no hard and fast rule here (ugh the "it depends" answer). In truth it's a function of your product maturity, your buyer's sophistication, and use case differentiation.  When in doubt, keep. it. simple.  The research is pretty clear that good-better-best works, well, best.  It focuses a buyer's mind.  The most common mistake I see are packages that are invented to solve a use case for a handful of customers.  That's how you get SKU-creep.  The order I like to start with is: When in doubt ...Read More

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  6. When is an ideal time to prepare a change in pricing strategy and how does a PMM lead/join in on this decision-making before being asked to strategize messaging for the price change itself.

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    Short answer is as early as humanly possible.  Also probably don't launch in your Q4 (Q1 at your Sales Kick-Off is great if you can swing it!). The key is maximum mind share from the field and minimal distraction as deals are in flight.  PMM tends to lead (assuming that pricing and packaging is in the PMM org) the recommendation and execution.  My feeling has always been that the pricing and packaging is actually messaging, so it's hard to decouple. And importantly, the messaging content needs t ...Read More

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  7. When you make the decision to lower the price of a product, how do you address that change with existing customers (those who have paid the higher price)?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    I like to start from a place of trust: give customers a credit for the difference.

    Think about how much more likely you are to come back to a restaurant who made a mistake on the order and gave you a free item to make up for it. 

    You're playing a customer-lifetime-value game, not a maximize-one-time-revenue game. 

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  8. How do you plan for and adjust pricing/packaging when product teams deploy weekly/monthly?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    Someone is theoretically in charge of the product roadmap (Head of Product, CEO). 

    They're your best friend. Use them!

    I find that a bi-monthly sync on state of the roadmap is helpful. 

    The agenda I would ordinarily run is:

    1. What's shipping in the next month
    2. How is that impacting the product vision for the next 12-18 months
    3. Are these tablestakes or differentiated feature ships 
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  9. Why is Usage Based Pricing (UBP) so popular these days? Should I change my product's pricing to UBP?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    The short answer is: think really hard about your buyer.  Usage-based pricing makes a huge amount of sense for small teams who want to experiment.  Hence why you see startups moving fast with dev on AWS or engineers coding on Twilio.  What do most UBP products have in common? The thing you're counting is easy to understand and scales with value. That's why you see so many CIOs loving UBP (remember that advice about the buyer?!).  Counting data, integration points, servers, storage, compute, etc. ...Read More

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  10. When thinking about pricing, do you base it on competitive alternatives or the value you deliver to customers? And what are the marketing trade-offs when choosing either option?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    Basically, you do both.  Working for premium product companies, you tend to optimize for customer value learnings.  And then obviously recognize the reality of a competitive environment.  Something that surprises a lot of people is that you can shift your price up dramatically by presenting it in new ways.  Let's say your competitor sells lemonade for $5. You sell for $6 (it's "hand-squeezed" so you get the premium).  If you ask customers what they think lemonade should cost, most will say $5-$6 ...Read More

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  11. Does the design of a site or app affect how much people are willing to pay for a product?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    It certainly can! Usability is a big reason why some companies win a bake-off vs. a competitor. 

    The winner gets to say:

    "Yeah their product is cheaper, but our design/UI/experience makes users adopt and come in naturally"

    "That way you're not buying shelfware"

    Premium products need to be premium at every level of the buyer/user's experience. 

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  12. How are pricing and perceived value of a product related?

    Daniel Kish
    Daniel Kish

    FICO Sr Director Strategy & Pricing • 3y

    The price is traditionally based on two things: How much value the thing is or has created How much the provider splits that value capture with the customer Some strategies say minimize #2. That would be Google Ads (take a small slice of a huge pie). Other strategies say maximize #2. That would be Warner Bros. Studios (take a bigger slice for the risk of fronting cash on a blockbuster movie). I weirdly view those two levers as independent (you can measure #1 somewhat objectively within a range, ...Read More

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