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AMA: New Relic Former VP, Growth Marketing, Andy Ramirez on Building a Demand Generation Team


May 3, 2023 @ 10:00AM PT

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  1. As a hiring manager, what do the best demand generation candidates have in common?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    Across every role in growth there's one common trait I try to ensure. The ability to look at seemingly disparate data, make sense of it, create hypotheses, and prove or disprove them. Lots of people will answer yes to this if asked as a yes/no question, but the ones that truly get it can articulate examples. These are the folks that take data and turn it into action. I have often seen people be really good at collecting and presenting data, but not be as good at the "so what" part of it.

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  2. What's your framework to prioritizing needs/deliverables when you're the first demand generation manager at a company establishing the function?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    I really try to keep this simple. I know this isn't always possible but if you can prioritized based on two facets: Does the thing not exist and NEEDS to exist. For example you might be selling a consumer good and you don't have an email letting customers know to review your product and where they can get support. Or you have a SaaS app and you don't have a welcome email for new customers. There's some tactics/deliverables that just have to be done. What is the potential impact. You have to do y ...Read More

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  3. What is an important KPI that you see demand generation teams completely missing?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    A fully burdened CAC/LTV (cost of acquisition vs lifetime value) model. This is very hard to do and even harder to do right but it is the only way to truly understand if the investments you're making are paying off. If you can't do it on an ongoing basis at least revisit it a few times a year. Make sure that what you're bringing in is net positive to the company within a reasonable payback period.

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  4. What does your demand generation team org structure look like?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    This is another question that is highly dependent on the needs of an organization, the current state of their growth team, and what resources they have today, etc. When I start the build, or rebuild, of a team the first thing I do is get to know the current players. I have learned through the years that too often teams that aren't working well have talented people doing the wrong job. I like the old analogy of the team being a bus, you have to know who belongs on the bus and in what seat they'll ...Read More

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  5. How do you think ChatGPT will impact how you do demand generation?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    I recently posted that I haven't seen anything capture the publics imagination like ChatGTP since the first iPhone was announced. I'm tempted to say that generative AI has surpassed even that in the buzz and hype it's created. That seems well deserved however, it is already impacting demand in a number of ways I can see and I can imagine there's many more I haven't seen and infinitely more we haven't made real yet. The first impact is on the execution and scale of demand gen marketing. Just abou ...Read More

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  6. If your demand generation team has only 1 or 2 people responsible for covering multiple products with complex features, how would you recommend dividing the workload in the short-term so as best to support long-term growth and expansion of the team?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    As with most questions I'll answer there isn't a single answer, this really depends on where your team and company are and what the current needs are. Here's a few thoughts on how you can address this. FOCUS - Small teams often have direct lines of communication to leadership, leadership often has a lot of ideas, those ideas are almost always a distraction from what you should be doing. Most leaders aren't trying to distract you, if you take their idea and say when you think you could address it ...Read More

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  7. How do you communicate demand generation updates and activities to the rest of the company?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    There is a phrase my team will tell you they're tired of hearing: "You have to market the marketing" The purpose of this isn't just recognition of the work the team does, though there's nothing wrong with that. When you regularly communicate what is launching, what completed, what your results are, wins/losses, learnings, etc. you engage those around you in the marketing. You give them confidence that their work is being put forth to the market. You get feedback and ideas. Often times marketers ...Read More

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  8. How do you quickly convert new technologies and product capabilities into messages that resonate with your audiences?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    The marketer in me always wants to answer this question with "you rely on your experience and knowledge of your category, audience, and product to help you define the best message for your audience." The scientist in me has seen evidence that your best guess is a roughly 50/50 coin flip. Ok, better than that but you're still guessing. So my answer here is experiment, experiment, experiment. Don't think of this as daunting, expensive, or even time consuming. Showing two treatments to two people a ...Read More

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  9. What do you find are the fastest paths to product adoption growth? Messaging, positioning, competitive comparisons, education/training, longer format ebooks vs. short-form social posts and blog posts, customer evidence?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    For existing customers one of the fastest paths to growth I've seen is creating virality. Find a way to get other users into the product and getting some value. Many B2B services offer read-only users that can see dashboards, reports, comment on stuff, whatever it is. Those users then become potential multipliers of access, which then can inform additional teams at an organization that might need to use a platform, etc. All the other tactics you listed are valuable in different ways for differen ...Read More

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  10. Sometimes it seems like everyone has an opinion on marketing and messaging, so how do you balance integrating team members' feedback with delivering high volumes of content?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    Timebox input and quantify the impact. Art, music, and marketing are totally subjective. Not every thing is going to work for everyone, and not everyone's subjective opinion is universally applicable. When possible while building campaigns, websites, videos, events, whatever, be clear with anyone that should have input when those input periods are and that input outside those periods will be captured for the next iteration unless earth shattering. Ask input providers to quantify it. Those provid ...Read More

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  11. How do you track the effectiveness of your marketing activities and ensure the reporting is actionable and accurate?

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    Andy Ramirez ✪

    GitLab Head of Growth Marketing • 3y

    There are entire industries built around this question. I wish I could say my fondest wishes have been answered by any solution out there. Honestly this is another place I'm hopeful for the promise of AI. It should be possible to feed ALL of my data from all of my sources to a single entity and have it make all of the connections then answer my plain English questions. I'll most likely get more than a few companies reaching out to me saying they have exactly this solution, but I've yet to have t ...Read More

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