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AMA: Chainguard Senior Director of Product Management, Julian Dunn on Product Management Career Path


November 6, 2024 @ 9:00AM PT

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  1. What are differences between PM and Sr. PM? What are clear indicators that someone is ready to take on Sr. PM role and responsibilities that come with it? And, when in the Sr. PM role, what are key stages that distinguish different levels of Sr. PMs?

    Julian Dunn
    Julian Dunn

    Chainguard Senior Director of Product Management • 1y

    PM I/II/III is primarily about execution. Someone else comes up with an idea/initiative and a PM at this level largely takes direction, writes briefs/PRDs assuming that the business case is a go, since their manager told them to do it. Because these initiatives are rarely risky big digs, most of the debate is about scope, implementation details and sequencing (should we do this now or later, or should the v1 have feature X in it versus the v2). To get to Senior PM, I need to see that PMs aren't ...Read More

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  2. How do you measure your own success in your role and how much have those performance indicators evolved as you grew within your role?

    Julian Dunn
    Julian Dunn

    Chainguard Senior Director of Product Management • 1y

    Being a manager of PMs is a completely different job, with substantially different performance indicators than being an IC PM. For example, there is no way I can be the deepest expert in all areas of the product or customer personas; my utility on these matters is limited to sniffing out what I suspect might be the ground truth on something and helping folks to optimize their research/understanding along the lines of that suspicion. If I am effectively doing my job as a director of PM, there sho ...Read More

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  3. There are different frameworks to prioritize the product backlog. How practical is the use of such frameworks? How to manage top management expectations?

    Julian Dunn
    Julian Dunn

    Chainguard Senior Director of Product Management • 1y

    Hopefully you have a senior/executive management team that believes in data-informed decision making. Data, by the way, is not just quantitative data (e.g. # of customers asking and their ARR) but qualitative counts for a lot, too, especially in B2B. If you don't have such a team, then this is job one, otherwise it doesn't matter what framework you have; prioritization decisions are going to be made by executive team opinion or pontification rather than examination of ideas through that framewor ...Read More

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  4. While there's a lot of PM roles available now, there's also a lot of candidates applying. How would you suggest optimizing your resume or application process to stand out and get an interview?

    Julian Dunn
    Julian Dunn

    Chainguard Senior Director of Product Management • 1y

    I'll be blunt: because of the huge number of PMs on the market right now, you need to either have or find a connection into the company where you want to work. Simply optimizing your resume or cover letter isn't going to cut it; nothing beats a personal referral, or a warm intro, even if it is a few steps removed. Figure out how to use your LinkedIn 2nd or 3rd degree connections to get you to someone who's even proximate to the hiring manager for the position, and you will be miles ahead.

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  5. How do I shape my job title for a pivot into product?

    I'm on the partnerships team at a big tech company and am hoping to move towards product roles. I have some flexibility in shaping my job title (early career). While of course a job title isn't the core thing that will help my pivot to product, what partnerships job titles would be most helpful in making that pivot?

    Julian Dunn
    Julian Dunn

    Chainguard Senior Director of Product Management • 1y

    To pivot into product management from partnerships/bizdev, you first want to think about performing a role in partnerships that requires you to work closely with product management, and then determine what the title is. There are three main focus areas for partnerships that I commonly see: SI (system integrators/implementation partners); channel (resellers/marketplaces); and technology partners. As you can probably imagine, the latter is where you will have the most touch points with product, so ...Read More

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  6. How do you suggest transitioning into a different PM field? (E.g. if you're an internal PM, and you want to be a B2C PM, or growth PM, or B2B PM, how do you go about gaining the needed skills/making yourself more marketable?)

    Julian Dunn
    Julian Dunn

    Chainguard Senior Director of Product Management • 1y

    Congratulations -- you are already a PM, so you're starting from a position of strength. Regardless of whether you are an internal PM, platform PM, B2B PM, B2C PM, etc. there are always common PM skills across these areas, so think about what is transferable and what is not, and emphasize those. For example, if I am hiring for a customer-facing PM role and I have an internal PM candidate in front of me who is trying to make the case that they are the best candidate for that, I have to be convinc ...Read More

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  7. As you look at upcoming trends, what key areas or focuses do you think PMs should focus on to help them stay marketable?

    I'm on a career break and am looking to expand my skill set! Would love to know areas you think I should study before I return back to the field

    Julian Dunn
    Julian Dunn

    Chainguard Senior Director of Product Management • 1y

    After the many rounds of layoffs in both big and small tech over the last few years, PMs are being asked to become more well-rounded business leaders -- not just be the interface to engineering. This isn't a question of "doing more with less" (I really hate that expression) but about doing the work that uniquely creates the most leverage for the organization. It's not sufficient to know how to write PRDs or user stories anymore; you have to understand how to run your product or domain as a busin ...Read More

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