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AMA: Atlassian VP / Head of Product Marketing, Agile and DevOps solutions, Justine Davis on Developer Product Marketing


November 17, 2022 @ 9:00AM PT

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  1. How do you work with the cross functional teams? And what are the key goals and deliverables for each of the below? 1) PMM with Sales 2) PMM with CSM 3) PMM with Marketing 4) PMM with Product

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    The best products are built with the market in mind–and product marketing should contribute long before anything gets put on a shelf. It is an expectation that product marketing is involved way before the feature gets built and can answer "can I sell this?" with product. It definitely helps to have joint goals with product so work is not at odds. Product and product marketing are a true partnership and PMMs/PMs who realize this and don't treat the relationship as transactional are far better for ...Read More

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  2. How does developer product marketing fundamentally change when you're targeting enterprise companies as buyers?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Be very clear who your buyer is. When going after the enterprise, developers are not your buyer. They are one very influential piece of the puzzle though. Developers will be your end users but ultimately the buyer is likely at the VP level.  To build your champions, first build a product they will love and see value out of right off the bat. Give them technical use cases, sandboxes, demos, AMAs with your product teams and/or dev teams, and GREAT documentation to win them over. Do not talk to the ...Read More

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  3. Can you share the metrics you track for your developer marketing programs? And what are the product metrics that the marketing team also needs to pay attention to?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Assuming your model is product led growth, you want to track site visits, sign ups, first day usage, week 2 usage, monthly usage, feature usage (especially what features are used first), and upsell. 

    Technical evangelists should be tracked by views and viewer retention rates that eventually lead you to the funnel metrics that marketers track above ^.

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  4. How do you balance messaging to developers when (in b2b) they are usually not the buyers?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    You have to message and target both, with different messages/tactics.  Example: Let’s say the platform team evaluate the product themselves. If the developers don’t see enough value in the product then they won’t use it, and the product will fail. My guidance is to understand the end user (developer) and the buyer needs and arm them with both. Target the developer as your champion if they are the end user by making a product that solves their use cases, and stay out of the way. Don't bombard the ...Read More

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  5. What are the channels/tactics that are fundamentally unique to developer marketing?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Devs really like to be shown as opposed to be told. Don’t create sales decks - instead, take to social media, build smaller feature videos based on each problem - devs don’t want to sit and read a 3 page blog post. Stick to visual things. Channels in no particular order: 1. Reddit is a gold mine but you cannot just pop in to reddit. I spent years building my reddit username karma by posting random non work articles, competitor content, industry content, answering questions not related to my comp ...Read More

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  6. What does a developer product marketing manager need to be exceptional at compared to product marketing manager?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    There aren't developer PMMs and non developer PMMs on my team. A PMM is a PMM and they need to be exceptional at 1) knowing their audience 2) Knowing their market and competition 3) Knowing that content is only as good as the distribtuion plan you put behind it. The third bullet there is the difference - know what channels developers hang out in. Don't make your product times square with ads. Make newsletters. Write long form tutorial and reference architecture content. Create technical demos. D ...Read More

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  7. What are the best product demonstration videos you've seen?

    I'm creating product demo videos for a client. What are the best product demonstration videos you've seen? These are not the 90-sec explainer videos, but short videos demonstrating actual software products.

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Rather than name the best product demos, I think I will tell you what makes a good product demo. (for what it is worth, Atlassian's demo den series on Youtube from product managers is an exampel of a fantastic product demo series). Your ultimate goal is to educate, inspire, and convince the view to act in a product demo. Show, don't tell. Rule number 1 in a product demo is showing the product Nail the messaging - be very clear about what the product does, how it will solve pain points, and who i ...Read More

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  8. What are your lessons learned about successfully marketing to developers?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Take everything you learned from marketing to typical consumers and throw it out the window. What works for most personas in B2B or B2C will not work here. 1. Developers majorly dislike being marketed to so you have to make marketing feel like it isn't marketing. Interview, interview, and then do some more interviews to understand their pain points. Record these interviews to reference the exact technical language they are referrring to for messaging. 2. Always message test before sending out me ...Read More

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  9. What's the difference between Developer Relations and Developer Marketing? How do you work together?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    DevRel and Dev Marketers are 2 sides of the same coin. Developer relations (or tech evangelists) are responsible for the truly technical content with the ultimate goal of building a developer community to market the product. Developer marketers partner with DevRel to distribute their content and drive funnel marketing goals. Examples: DevRel: is go to for message testing and technical BS-ometer Distill technical differentiation into positioning statements, messaging, and value propositions that ...Read More

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  10. Can you explain Developer Marketing to someone who is hearing the term for the first time?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Developer marketing is marketing towards the developer persona. Developers typically hate marketing and will not respond to things like ads, "ship software faster" messaging, and traditional consumer marketing tactics. To be good at developer marketing, you have to speak their language, think about their problems, and put it in the channels they hang out in. Do not copy paste the same marketing plan that you would for an enterprise audience, or a consumr product. 

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  11. How do you measure developer marketing effectiveness?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Technical evangelists should be tracked by views and viewer retention rates that eventually lead you to the funnel metrics that marketers track. Ultimately you will want develoepr marketing to roll in to the regular metrics you track as a marketing leader with traffic, evaluations, active usage, customers, and revenue. 

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  12. What are the keys to getting started with a developer marketing program?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    1. Create a community and push all your content towards that community.

    2. Create a newsletter that devs get opted in to or sign up for (but follow those GDPR rules)

    3. Spend time on good documentation. Good documentation is marketing in itself

    4. Find your open source element to tap in to the open source community.

    5. Comparison articles are powerful

    6. Recruit your developers to write and publish the content (or hire dev rel, but not before your first PMM). 

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  13. How technical does your messaging need to be when marketing to developers?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    I would say long form content messaging needs to be very technical towards developers and that is where developer evangelists are powerful at building brand trust and community. Short form messaging is the same as any other messaging: needs to understand the target audience and speak to their pain points, then give them the "so what" that your product can help them with. 

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  14. What are your top 3 insights in creative value prop for developers' focused products?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    1. Be literal instead of aspirational

    2. Speak to their pain points and really understand what those pain points are

    3. Say more with less - white-papers and really long form blogs that are not helpful will not work. Leverage the community aspect as much as possible here and use code snippets, real life get your hands dirty demos

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  15. Developer Journey vs. Classic Funnel: what's the difference?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    There is not really a difference if you are working at a product led growth company. You should drop developer sign ups the same way you would track any marketing funnel:

    • Site visits
    • Evaluations
    • first day usage
    • second week usage
    • monthly active usage
    • feature usage
    • upsell
    • customers
    • revenue

    The real difference is the channels you use to market to them. See some of my answers from channel questions in the AMA for where to go for those!

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  16. When and how does a sales team engage when marketing to developers?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Traditional sales tactics will not help you start conversations with developers. you will rely more on content marketing than sales in order to "sell" to developers.  Do not cold call developers. Instead make it very clear how your product will solve developer problems on a very technical level. You have a choice -  1. you can try to build a champion with the developer through some of the tactics I discuss in other answers here, then have them champion the product to their VP or CTO who owns the ...Read More

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  17. For an API product, how have you been able to successfully continue engagement with developers after they have completed onboarding? Strictly email? Does that outperform/under perform regular web and mobile customers?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    In product is good, but only if it is helpful. Do not make your product times square. Release. notes, blogs, social leading to blogs, whats new section in product, office hours, newsletters, etc. work well. Just give them the option to self serve the information they need and stay out of their way for a solid product led growth funnel for developers. 

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  18. Our company targets both business customers and developers building apps on top of our platform. I’m a non-technical PMM and the first marketing hire in the company. As our marketing team grows, when should we bring a DevRel into the team?

    Our business model is product-led-growth. How should we prioritize bringing in a DevRel vs. other critical functions like content and demand generation as we grow our team and want to do it efficiently?

    Justine Davis
    Justine Davis

    ServiceNow VP Dev marketing, Community, Dev rel • 3y

    Ah the famous chicken or the egg problem. DevRel is most powerful when partnered with a marketer who knows how to get eyeballs on the technical content. This is a partnership in the most beautiful form, hard for one to be successful without the other. Since you are the first marketer, it is time for an evangelist. UNLESS you have a developer who absolutely loves writing, and is raising their hand to partner with you on content. But let's face it, when coding calls, your content drops to the back ...Read More

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