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AMA: BILL Sr Director, Product Marketing, Kelly Kipkalov on Product Marketing Skills


December 19, 2023 @ 9:00AM PT

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Kelly Kipkalov

Vice President Product Marketing · Carta

Hi all, I'm Kelly Kipkalov, Vice President Product Marketing @ Carta:

👋 Based in:
San Francisco Bay Area
🧠 Top of mind:
Writing effective SKO presentations!
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PMM career paths
🍦 Fun fact:
My maiden name is Smith. I met my husband in Russia and couldn't wait to get rid of my very generic last name. :)
  1. How important are brand marketing skills for product marketers compared to analytical skills?

    There is often a huge emphasis on analytical skills, instead of brand marketing skills, when it comes to product marketing job descriptions.

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    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    Of all the skill sets I think are important for a product marketer, brand marketing isn't on the top of the list. In fact, it's probably the opposite - particularly in smaller tech companies where brand = product - where I think a brand marketer could benefit from experience as a product marketer. The relationship between brand and product marketer is important to ensure that products being built deliver on the brand values (like Volvo and safety or Staples and easy) but you don't have to be a b ...Read More

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  2. How do product marketers make sure they're learning enough varied skills to be a well-rounded professional when scope is an issue?

    i.e. working at a large company with minimal scope, focusing on sales enablement but knowing you need experience on the product launch side, other marketing teams covering responsibilities, etc.

    Kelly Kipkalov
    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    Such a great question! Sales enablement - although you're right it's a narrow focus - is still very transferable to the more customer facing aspects of customer marketing. You still need to understand how to build clear value props and messaging for sales so they can win deals, it's just that the audience is different. That said, my biggest suggestion is just to really push yourself to develop new tools and content that might be outside your company's playbook, particularly if the playbook is a ...Read More

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  3. How would you recommend Product Marketing Managers improve their messaging skills?

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    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    Great messaging isn't as easy as people think! Two things come to mind. First, learn the art of writing a single minded proposition, aka "SMP." If you aren't crystal clear on the benefit you're selling and why a customer should believe in the benefit (RTB or reason to believe) your messaging just won't make sense. CPG marketers have been doing this for years; it requires you to be disciplined and to make tradeoffs otherwise your message will be muddy. Second, remember that less is always more, a ...Read More

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  4. What soft skills are must-haves for product marketers in your experience apart from diplomacy, curiosity, and empathy?

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    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    There's another question I fielded about soft skills, so take a look at that one in the feed. The soft skills I listed there:

    • Clear and confident written and verbal communication

    • Ability to influence others (particularly product)

    • Strong drive for results/taking initiative

    There's one more I'd add:

    • Bias for action


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  5. What advice do you have for recent graduates that want to go straight into product marketing?

    Typically, these roles require 3-5 years of experience and/or an MBA. Are there roles we should target instead that will help transition into product marketing? What qualities do you want to see in young professionals that want to land in product marketing?

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    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    I've hired people straight out of undergrad, it's possible. Look for entry level titles like product marketing analyst, or specialist...they are out there. BUT, I will say don't despair if you don't see a lot of entry level PMM roles, and instead just try and land a marketing role in a company where you care about the product. There will be plenty of time for you to transition into a PMM role when opportunities come up, and there's no downside to starting on a different team. Your early career m ...Read More

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  6. Should product marketing decisions be data-driven or more so data-informed? Should PMMs lead with intuition and use data to back up their assumptions?

    Kelly Kipkalov
    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    I'm not sure the distinction you're making between data-driven vs data-informed but I'm going to say that you should be data driven. There's some narrative about PMM that says PMMs don't need to be analytical, or comfortable using data and I don't agree with that at all. Instead of intuition, you should have strong hypotheses - grounded in a customer insight - that you want to use data to validate. Intuition is super subjective and very hard to defend, but almost no one will refute a hypothesis ...Read More

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  7. How do you recommend working in my soft skills and their importance in the job interview when not directly asked?

    I find that interviewers very often focus on the hard skills, but I think it’s the soft skills that can make/break a candidate. I usually try to highlight my soft skills within the context of my “STAR” stories.

    Kelly Kipkalov
    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    Even if you get a very specific product marketing question during an interview, I promise you that your soft skills are still being assessed at the same time. Are you a clear and confident communicator? Were you able to use influence and persuasion to get your work done? Did you take initiative to drive your own outcomes, or follow in the path others made for you? Communication, influence, and initiative are all soft skills that can make a break a product marketer. Maybe think of the PMM questio ...Read More

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  8. What would you consider to be the most important PMM skills to have?

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    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    I'm going to answer your question slightly differently. PMMs can acquire skills as they develop in their careers, that's a given. So when I hire PMMs, I'm not just looking for skills, I'm looking for a specific customer-first mindset. Do you understand the customer problem you're trying to solve? How do you know it's a problem, and how painful is it? How do you typically engage with customers? How do you validate your ideas to make sure they resonate with your customer? I will often hear things ...Read More

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  9. What skills do you consider most important to transition from PMM to Sr. PMM?

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    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    In our PMM career ladder at BILL we evaluate PMM career progression in the following areas: Ability to uncover market insights Influence product strategy and development Create positioning and messaging Orchestrate Go To Market plans At the level you're asking about - PMM to Sr PMM - there are two areas we look for a step change in performance. (1) We like to see more fluency in your ability to leverage market research to bring insights back to product managers; and (2) and we also like to see t ...Read More

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  10. When joining a new team, is it better to have the right soft skills and have to learn the hard skills of the job or vice versa?

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    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    My answer to this is that 'it depends' on where you are in your career. If you are early career and just starting as a PMM, I would typically be making a hiring decision solely based on soft skills. There's no expectation that you have a well rounded set of hard PMM skills as an entry level candidate. But as you progress in your career, that dynamic will come into better balance and hiring managers will be looking for both. Starting at the manager level, I would be vetting candidates for specifi ...Read More

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  11. What are some helpful tips for writing email communications to the sales team?

    Kelly Kipkalov
    Kelly Kipkalov

    Carta Vice President Product Marketing • 2y

    I'd be happy to have some back and forth on this, but I'm not sure I fully understand the context of the question. Are you writing emails to sales, and if so, what type of content are you sharing? Or you writing emails for sales reps to send to customers? Feel free to email me back and I can take another stab at answering.

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