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AMA: Cisco Meraki Head of Product Marketing, Grant Shirk on Influencing the Product Roadmap


December 15, 2022 @ 10:00AM PT

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  1. How can we leverage product marketing for post-feedback product updates? What's the best way to reintroduce a product to users who didn't initially like or understand it?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    There are two big categories here.  Speaking with a customer after specific feature feedback Re-introducing a product to a prospect/customer who said "no"  I'll address the first one in the question about capturing beta feedback. Quick summary: Show the customer how you listened and incorporated their feedback, and how it impacted the product and other customers.  The second is truly difficult. Once a customer has told you "no," or "this doesn't work for me," they have made a decision, and eithe ...Read More

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  2. What feedback do Product Marketing and Product Managers typically expect from alpha/beta users, and what perks or incentives do you offer them?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    I strongly recommend against providing ANY incentive for alpha and beta users to provide feedback or engagement. I find it creates bias and influences the kind of feedback you receive. You want real users with real problems running into your software; otherwise you get nice-to-haves or less thoughtful comments.  It's hard to set expectations for the kind of feedback you receive. Early on, you don't know what customers will react to, or even where the real bumps will be. I'd recommend starting su ...Read More

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  3. What kinds of market research do you do to shape the product roadmap and build, buy, and partner strategy? And more tactically, what format do you share your analysis?

    I'm tasked with doing market research -- voice of the customer, competitive intelligence, and doing internal interviews -- to segment a new market and what we need to invest in to increase market penetration.

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    I find that there are two times when it makes sense to truly invest in deep market research like what you mention:  When you're considering starting a company or building a completely new product When you're a very mature company (public, large revenue, growth slowing) and you need to evaluate options for a next growth trajectory In those situations, you're trying to learn something completely new, identify risks, and plot a course forward. You don't have product yet, you don't have customers, a ...Read More

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  4. How do you partner with product/product strategy early before the roadmap is finalized and what role does your PMM team play specifically in the early phases?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    Roadmaps are a living, breathing plan. This should be a continual conversation with product (and sales, and cs, and...) to make sure you always know what is happening and changing. And, I've never seen a roadmap that's truly "final." It's technology. "Stuff happens." But, there are multipltae stages when you should have both input and visibility into the plan: Early/vison setting. What's the long-term target we're trying to hit, and what are the key investments/stages on the way? Here you're get ...Read More

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  5. How do you influence the product roadmap if the roadmap has already been laid out by product?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    The great thing about roadmaps is they're like the Pirates' Code. "It's more of a guideline."  First, never lose sight of the fact that if you have a concrete roadmap from your product team (like really concrete, more than 6 months laid out), that's heaven for PMM. A vision for where you're going, commitment from engineering, and a view a few quarters out of what stories you get to tell? Sign me up. Anecdotally, that's why I love the world of hardware so much. In networking, IoT, and even comput ...Read More

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  6. How do you define between a customer(s) want or request and a feature that is actually needed?

    Customers may want many things, but it might not always be the right feature to implement. How do you decide this?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    Repeatability.  Customers are asking for a feature because they believe the need it. Nobody has time to invent frivolous features for companies they don't work for. As a result, there's always an element of truth to every request. The trick to determine whether you should add a capability to your roadmap most frequently comes down to, "how many other companies would benefit from this feature?" If it's a one-off, you still have to value that one-off. But if it's something that's broadly applicabl ...Read More

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  7. Does your product marketing team have an efficient system for quantifying technical costs for new roadmap items that you request? If another team is required for estimating certain roadmap item costs, what's the best way to approach them?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    Currently, we do not. I don't believe it's the product marketing team's role to quantify the technical costs of a product or solution investment. That's stepping too far into the role and expertise of product and engineering, and frankly it's just an inefficient use of resources.  That's not to say you should wave a magic wand and wish for the impossible. Product marketers must have the technical depth to understand the limitations, constraints, and possibilities of a technology. Without it, the ...Read More

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  8. What are some best practices you recommend for bringing brand creative and product design teams together in a collaborative setting?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    Okay, this is a fun one, so I'm going to start here. As a former UI designer (at Pixo and Tellme Networks**), this is probably the most fun you'll have in product marketing. You're bringing together three functions that thrive on different kinds of creativity. Words, emotion, and structural design all coming together.  Other than "strap in and see what happens," there are a few things you can do to escalate the fun and the output of this dynamic mix: Don't start cold. For a group to really gel, ...Read More

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  9. How is the marketing team which you are part of structured? How does your role fit in?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    I'm currently the Head of Product Marketing at Cisco Meraki. I also have responsibility for the Cisco Wireless product portfolio. In the Meraki business, Product Marketing is a core pillar of our Market Strategy team. Market Strategy encompasses: Audience Marketing Customer Marketing  Solutions Marketing Product Marketing Together, we're ultimately accountable for Meraki's go-to-market strategy. From whom we target (Audience) and their unique priorities, to the unique value propostiion of our pr ...Read More

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  10. At what stage should product marketing collaborate with product design on the design process?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    If I understand your question correctly, constantly. No matter if you're the lead product marketer for an enterprise product, SMB, or consumer; whether you have a product-led go-to-market or a traditional enterprise sale; product marketing and design are inextricable partners in a product's success. Just like pricing is marketing, product design is also marketing. It's how you (your product) explain your value, function, and potential use cases to the end user. If you need to show how your produ ...Read More

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  11. What are some best practices for making sure brand voice and attributes come through during the product design process?

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    Offer to help write product copy. 

    One, it's really fun, and a nice break from the usual. Two, it forces you to put your money where your mouth is. How would *you* guide a customer to complete a specific task? 

    It's also a great way to learn your product inside and out. Potentially higher ROI than signing up for a bug bash on a regular basis. 

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  12. What template do you use when pitching customer/prospect priorities to Product leadership?

    We have data points and a long backlog of features that need to be prioritized to help us win. I'm struggling to consolidate it into a consumable format for product to digest and decide

    Grant Shirk
    Grant Shirk

    Cisco Head of Product Marketing, Cisco Campus Network Experiences | Formerly Tellme Networks, Microsoft, Box, Vera, Scout RFP, and Sisu Data, to name a few. • 3y

    This is an inteesting one. My first question is, "Why are you pitching to Product leadership?" A pitch is a judgemental situation. Instead, I'd urge you to discuss your ideas with them. Invite their feedback, instead of seeking approval. Try it - it will change the conversation instantly. There's no single template for this. Your PM team probably has an existing rubric they use to vet and prioritize roadmap items. Lean into that as much as you can. If you're using their language, it's easier for ...Read More

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