AMA: Clari Former VP of Product Marketing, Hila Segal on Developing Your Product Marketing Career
January 27 @ 10:00AM PST
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WalkMe Senior Vice President, Product Marketing | Formerly Clari, Observe.AI, Vendavo, Amdocs • January 27
Switching companies as part of your PMM journey is a good thing (if you're not jumping around too much). It will give you a broader perspective on different GTM channels, business models, org structures, sales processes, etc. You just need to make sure you are growing and acquiring new skills with every role. Even if you're making lateral moves, seek out new areas of responsibilities and more opportunities to do things you've never done before - maybe take on analyst relations or build the competitive intelligence program from the ground up.
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WalkMe Senior Vice President, Product Marketing | Formerly Clari, Observe.AI, Vendavo, Amdocs • January 27
What is the role of product marketing, and why do you want to do the job. I care about not just what the answer is but also how candidates deliver it. Are they giving me a textbook answer or telling me a story about their proudest PMM experience or a project that significantly impacted the business or a day in their life as a PMM.
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WalkMe Senior Vice President, Product Marketing | Formerly Clari, Observe.AI, Vendavo, Amdocs • January 27
Strong PMMs are good writers, know their product inside and out, experts of the competitive landscape, messaging geniuses and storytellers, BFFs with the sales team, GTM architects and excellent project managers. I like to think about a good PMM as a: * A psychologist who can develop a deep understanding of the fears, aspirations, hopes, and dreams of buyers and target personas. * An explorer seeking to learn more, discover more, and do more; bringing curiosity and some risk taking to product messaging and positioning. * A teacher who can inspire an audience with subject matter knowledge and possess excellent preparation and organization skills. * A conductor, leading cross-functional teams, unifying performers, and setting the tempo of product launches and other GTM initiatives. * An artist, who is creative and adventurous but also persistent and disciplined to deliver top results.
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How do product marketers make sure they're learning enough varied skills to be a well-rounded professional when scope is an issue?
i.e. working at a large company with minimal scope, focusing on sales enablement but knowing you need experience on the product launch side, other marketing teams covering responsibilities, etc.
WalkMe Senior Vice President, Product Marketing | Formerly Clari, Observe.AI, Vendavo, Amdocs • January 27
The role of a product marketer is very different in every company. Still, I believe you shape up the position in your organization - the strengths, interests, and passions you bring with you can expand the role beyond its initial job description. Whether you're a PMM at a global enterprise with thousands of employees or part of a lean and mean marketing team at a fast-growing start-up, you have to control your own destiny. The vast majority of learning and development happens not in formal training programs, but rather on the job—through developmental assignments. Identify the set of PMM skills that are important for you to develop - it can be more opportunities to actively pitch your product in sales cycles, running large quarterly launches, or sharpening your writing skills. From here, you have to continually look for new projects and ways to get yourself involved in a broad set of initiatives across the company. Take advantage of your connections in sales, enablement, GTM, product management, customer success, and devote at least 10-15% of your time to extra curricular activities. Coordinate this with your manager and make it part of your OKRs (objectives and key results).
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WalkMe Senior Vice President, Product Marketing | Formerly Clari, Observe.AI, Vendavo, Amdocs • January 27
Advancing to a director level can happen as an individual contributor when the scope of the role is expanded, and more responsibility is given to you—for example, leading product marketing for a product line or multiple product lines. You can also step into a people manager role. No matter what path you choose, transitioning into a director role means graduating from product marketing execution into designing a strategic product marketing roadmap that aligns with company goals and the needs of the business. How to do that? * Ensure you have a good understanding of your company's strategic initiatives (for example, going up market or transitioning to recurring revenue models). * Develop a POV on how product marketing can help achieve corporate goals * Build product marketing priorities and OKRs, socialize them with marketing, product, and the GTM organization for visibility and buy-in.
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How to approach the conversation with my manager regarding promotion after working in b2b product marketing for several years and not been promoted
I started a new role recently at the PMM level, and already have several years of PMM experience. both roles were in enterprise software, but the industries / products are very different so there is a big learning curve in the new role
WalkMe Senior Vice President, Product Marketing | Formerly Clari, Observe.AI, Vendavo, Amdocs • January 27
Start by writing down your career goals. Answer questions like: * What experiences are you looking to get in the next phase of your career, and why? * Why do you think this is the right role, time, and environment to deliver on those experiences? * What things have you done in your past that give you confidence in your ability to perform in this role? What challenges do you foresee? * What are your expectations from management? Use this career development framework to have a conversation with your manager about your aspirations, where you currently stand and develop a mutual understanding about the next steps to achieve your goals.
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WalkMe Senior Vice President, Product Marketing | Formerly Clari, Observe.AI, Vendavo, Amdocs • January 27
Today, there are so many fantastic resources and community groups, certainly more than when I started as a pmm. So I'll focus my answer on other ways you can continue to grow professionally: * Find a mentor. Identify a product marketer who's further on in their career than you and ask them to be your mentor. It doesn't have to be someone you know or have worked with in the past. Reach out and explain what you are trying to accomplish and what pmm skills you are looking to develop. Ideally, you want to find someone who works in your industry and has a career path similar to the one you're pursuing. Once you have a mentor, do the hard work and come prepared with topics, scenarios, and situations that you need guidance on. Your time with your mentor is the best opportunity to grow your PMM skill set and leadership skills, especially if you want to become a manager. * Become a mentor. I'm a firm believer that everyone has something to give, and that mentoring is as fulfilling to the mentor as it is for the mentee. Identify your PMM superpowers and offer younger product marketers the opportunity to learn from you. I guarantee you'll learn a ton from it, too - including how things are done in other companies, how to handle new situations you might not have dealt with before, how to provide meaningful coaching. You might be saying, "I'm still learning myself. What do I have to offer?" so I encourage you to dig deep and find what it is that you do well. I'm sure there are a few things you can think of. * Follow PMM stars on LinkedIn. In addition to all the slack channels, webinars, and AMAs, pay attention to what is organically shared by other PMMs. IMO, these are the real gems - daily experiences, POVs, best practices, and templates that are super impactful and you can quickly put into practice in your organization. (Btw, these are the folks you can later target as your potential mentors).
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WalkMe Senior Vice President, Product Marketing | Formerly Clari, Observe.AI, Vendavo, Amdocs • January 27
Building diverse working relationships with different stakeholders across the organization is one of the most critical secret powers of a successful product marketer. Doing that not only gives you access to information and knowledge, but it will also help you collaborate more effectively on major projects. Here are the tops internal relationships you need to master: * Product managers - think about this relationship like a true marriage, and your children are the products you bring to market together (and raise them to become successful adults). Trust, honesty, and open communications are key to success here. * Growth & content marketers - these are your partners in driving demand for your products. Make sure they are educated and excited about new product capabilities and work with them to design high-impact campaigns. * Sellers and sales leaders - I don't believe you can be successful as a PMM if you're not engaged with the sales team regularly. Hear what's working and what's not, work with them on new tools to drive deal velocity, learn from them about the competition, and help them win. Invest here and build relationships from the individual rep level to the regional VPs and revenue leaders. * Customer success - If you're in SaaS, driving cross-sell and up-sell revenue from existing customers is as important as generating net new dollars from your product. Customer success are your partners in driving customer interest and engagement.
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