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AMA: Crossbeam Senior Director Product Marketing, Amanda Groves on Building a Product Marketing Team


September 7, 2022 @ 9:00AM PT

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Amanda Groves

VP of Product Marketing · Zywave

👋 Hi I'm Amanda Groves.. Philly native (Go Flyers!), Pittsburgh transplant (Go Panthers!)
💼 I currently am the VP of Product Marketing at Zywave, an InsurTech company focused on helping carriers and brokers manage, protect, and grow their book of business intelligently.
👀 Topics of interest for me are managing M&A and integrating offerings... AI product innovation/roll out and building high-performance PMM teams.
🤝 Topics I am help with... adopting agile marketing, core PMM/Solution PMM, new product introduction process/tiering and pricing and packaging.
🍦 Favorite ice cream flavor.. mochi!
  1. What are your top questions to ensure you are hiring the right product marketing candidates and why?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Why product marketing? - Tells me their motivations. If they have a drive to serve customers and a discipline for storytelling, it'll shine through. If not, I'll know it's not a good fit. How do you define and measure success of product marketing? - It's important to suss out if your philosophical belief/metrics in PMM aligns with your candidates' view. They can often be different, and in some cases that's okay! But this question is a great level-setter to establish domain expertise, perspective ...Read More

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  2. How do you work with the cross functional teams? And what are the key goals and deliverables for each of the below? 1) PMM with Sales 2) PMM with CSM 3) PMM with Marketing 4) PMM with Product

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    PMM with Sales: I ask for links to chorus/gong calls to listen to customer's positioning. We tackle enterprise needs on-going and jam on enablement materials + content market fit. I also pitch new concepts/messaging to sales for reaction and ask for on-going market feedback on concepts/campaigns. Success is measured by revenue attainment but more specifically, how PMM can influence closed/won rate - deal velocity - pipe gen - upsell/expansion and AVC. Deliverables: pitch decks, one-pagers, enabl ...Read More

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  3. How do you proactively identify areas of the business where PMM can add the most value and make the biggest impact?

    i.e. do you have a few questions you keep in your back pocket or assumptions that you always test when assessing the business and choosing which things to pursue?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Great question, I look at the data to identify areas of red and strategize against those ebbs and flows overtime. It's easy to get excited by ideas, but the data we have is the most tangible means of assessing performance/needs. Beyond data assessment, I have a regular sync with front line teams to suss out what's working, their needs, and also tour competitive playing field to ensure our bases are covered. These exercises ensure I'm approaching PMM execution and priorization with an informed le ...Read More

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  4. How do you get buy-in from regional teams for a product launch when they don't view the product that you're launching as relevant for their market?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    I always start with Why. Why don't the regional teams find that product valuable? Who exactly and what data (quant/qual) do they have to support it isn't valuable? Start with asking more questions - then present defensible proof points (from customer's who've adopted/expressed interest in the product) via case studies, utilization data, rev gen, etc - to show the value. Customers are the ultimate aligner, use their stories to get buy in where doubt has been cast. 

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  5. What are the key traits, skills, experience you prioritize when hiring product marketers? What questions do you ask to assess it during the interview?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    It depends on seniority level of hire, but typically I look for experience in a customer-centric role: marketing or customer success in SaaS (B2B a plus). Key attributes for me are: detail oriented/technical prowess, storytelling/written abilities, empathy, collaborative, curious, systems mindset and high level of owernship/autonomy.  You can suss out traits like these by choosing a short take home assignment upfront as a screening assessment. Ask the candidate to "teach you something" (anything ...Read More

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  6. What key metrics do product marketing managers need to meet in order to get promoted?

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    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    PMMs often are measured by output, since most of what we provide are tied to other metrics. I would focus on delivering tangible assets on a regular cadence (case studies, one-pagers, pitch decks, etc) and in parallel - measuring utilization metrics like: product activation, MAUs, reactivations, attach rate, conversion velocity etc. These two streams (tangible output + metrics) cover your bases, establish influence and prove growth (worthy of promotion).

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  7. How do you stay aligned while agile?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    I stay aligned with my leadership by building in public. I share our on-going updates on Slack to ensure teams know what's on our plate, along with performance stats and learnigns. I also utilize all hands and MBRs to share what's working, what's not, and plans for executing against goals. Agility comes from staying centered on the north stars. As long as I'm working on the business priorities, I'm able to take on tasks that help us perform against goals (or remove what isn't) to stay focused, a ...Read More

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  8. How do you roll out new collateral, content, and product training to a remote sales team?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    We have an established cadence of enablement with our internal teams where we bundle features/collateral into market themes. When rolling out a new feature, we organize content into two buckets: technical (CS) and value story (sales). For the value story elements: we create "how to sell" slides and a launch packet that includes case studies, demo overview videos, and other relevant material for the sales cycle. We then quiz the remote sales team on their learnings (via Kahoot!) to keep folks acc ...Read More

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  9. What systems have you put in place to ensure your product marketers are kept up to date with changes to product timelines?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Notion. Notion. Notion. We use Notion for everything and build product and product marketing operating systems on Notion. My VP of Product and myself have built databases that automatically alert us as items move across the product development lifecycle. This triggers cues for PMM when we need to lean into certain projects (once they've hit the development stage v. scoping for example). Beyond Notion, I've established a formal tiering process for new features that involves a calculator and produ ...Read More

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  10. What have been your biggest learnings on scaling a business globally?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Biggest learnings on scaling a business globally:

    • etablish product market fit in core market first. 
    • beta/pilot core PMF offering in new markets before going big on strategy/execution. listen/learn and adjust to market reactions (in terms of positioning/messaging) and enable team from there.
    • messaging is not one-size-fits all - test your way to what good looks like.
    • decentralize PMM to support global efforts. 
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  11. When building a team, how would you ideally split responsibilities? By product line? By PMM function (CI, enablement, GTM, etc)?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    A bit of both. My ideal PMM sqad has a set of core product marketing folks that are organized by product line. In addition to core product marketing, my team owns customer marketing, lifecycle marketing, competitive marketing + analyst relations. With the core discipline + specialization you can tackle the majors and minors of what good looks like (at scale) for PMM.

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  12. What are some unexpected challenges when it comes to influencing and creating a product marketing strategy with a global team?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    The biggest challege (for me) is certainly managing alignment across product and product marketing. As teams grow and scale broadens, working in a distributed manner across the globe makes it hard to stay in touch/row in the same direction. The best way I've found to influence the global product marketing strategy is to make time (early mornings/late evenings) for 1:1s with your global peers. During this time, ensure you have tangible assets for them to review (related to your strategy/philosoph ...Read More

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  13. When building a new PMM organization, what are the most important things to focus on when getting started?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    It definitely depends on the company stage/goals. So I start there - get alignment from exec leadership on what the company North Stars are and begin building a crawl, walk, run strategy to cover departmental growth. In parallel to strategic alignment with leadership/executive team - you must, I stress MUST, complete listening tours. Meet with your customers Meet with your prospects Meet with your sales team Meet with your customer success team Meet with your product team Listen to how they talk ...Read More

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  14. How do you ensure that the company voice & tone comes through in other regions?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Create and distribute a brand style guide and strategic narrative. Make sure your team is able to give a short pitch, long pitch, demo and is certified on all three. Force Management's Command of the Message framework is a great way to ensure large teams are speaking consistently and presenting value-driven messaging across the customer journey. 

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  15. How can you allot more time to strategy and larger picture items when you're leading a smaller PMM team (less than 3 total ppl)?

    Leading a smaller PMM team means you're still in the weeds many times and it can get difficult to make time for strategical thinking—topics that need to be discussed and brought up with leadership. Any tips on how to balance that?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Protect your calendar! Set aside Do Not Disturb (DND) time for strategic thinking and honor that time. Try to establish a "no meeting" day at your business where you have dedicated space to GSD and think strategically. Set the expectation that if you accept a meeting, there must be a clear agenda along with expected outcomes for your attendance. That helps to narrow down how to spend time so you can prioritize the most valuable/impactful sessions. I also run a lot so that helps to create space f ...Read More

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  16. How do you divide the workload between two product marketers covering multiple products?

    (context: small company, still establishing product marketing function, no senior marketing leader to guide, lots of room to carve own path, looking for best ways to support success!)

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Firstly, I'm always happy to be a resource on this subject - just ping me on LinkedIn, this is quite a meaty ask/task. I would suggest splitting product coverage between the two of you, and contract out (via consultants) anything where you need additional coverage for long-term projects i.e., partner marketing, voice of the customer work. The growing cost of an external vendor can help make the case (sooner rather than later) for internal dedicated resources.  In terms of hierachy of product pri ...Read More

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  17. What is your north star metric that you use?

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    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Revenue is the tippy top north star metric. But you can slice and dice how PMM influences revenue based on revenue stage. I like to think about measuring PMM using the 4 A framework:

    Awareness - demand gen/PQLs

    Activation - registered users/engagement

    Adoption - land and expand/utilization

    Advocacy - NPS/CSAT/net retention

    The PMM function is then split/specalized to inform the above majors and minors, which ultimately influences revenue.

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  18. How do you prioritize different customer needs across the globe?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Since rev gen/attainment is our north star, we prioritize efforts based on TAM per region. There are also localization dependencies for a global SaaS strategy, so we work with security and legal to ensure our product is servicable to global solutions before prioritizing market entry/SoW takeover. Fortunately, many of the assets we create in the US market can be repurposed in a global environment, we just depend on boots on the ground resources to reorient for common use cases/provide market feed ...Read More

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  19. Do you consider yourself accountable for pipeline, business performance and how do you keep sales accountable for proposing the pipeline well.

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    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    I do not consider PMM accountable for pipeline, no. We certainly influence overarching business performance (everyone on staff does whether directly or indirectly) but to me: marketing (traditional demand gen/content) builds the pipeline along with an outbound motion from sales. From there, PMM can influence velocity of customer journey stages via nurture campaigns, but ultimately sales/revops is responsible for actively forecasting, weighting, and reporting on pipeline. Because I am not account ...Read More

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  20. With the job market so hot, how do you structure the recruiting process to go slow enough for you and the team to evaluate several people and fast enough not to lose them to another company?

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    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    Great question. TL;DR: Put in the time up front to know what you want in the role, set your expectations for the hiring team, and establish what you could compromise on along with the non-negotiables. Do you have a 70-80% of your hit rate on non-negotiables? That's a solid candidate right there, lean into that. Also know that it's better to wait for the right hire v. feel pressured to hire fast because of the "labor market". Everything is fluid, and the cost of a bad hire is far worse (up to 30% ...Read More

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  21. How do you break up responsibilities when you're the first and only PMM and now you are hiring a new PMM to work under you? In a fast growing SAAS startup?

    Amanda Groves
    Amanda Groves

    Zywave VP of Product Marketing | Formerly Crossbeam, 6sense, JazzHR, Imagine Learning, Appsembler • 3y

    I tend to coalesce early-ish stage PMM teams by product pillar/functionality. For example, if you group certain features into capabilities, split roadmap ownership betwee you and your PMM. Bucket those product capabilities and divide and conquer (full PMM GTM lifecycle responsibilities). Once you've achieved product market fit, you can consider organizing the team by relevant personas and begin to hire specializations like: core PMM, customer marketing, lifecycle marketing, competitive intel, et ...Read More

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