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AMA: Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer, Jason Lyman on Developing Your Product Marketing Career


May 29, 2024 @ 9:00AM PT

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  1. What are potential career paths after Product Marketing?

    I've spent ~4 years doing Product Marketing at different Fortune 100 companies and wanted to know what are potential career growth opportunities beyond PMM. Almost everybody I know stays in PMM and continues on into leadership or goes into Product. What else is out there?

    Jason Lyman
    Jason Lyman

    Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer • 2y

    I have seen product marketers move into various roles as their careers evolve. The PMM skill set is very applicable in most marketing roles. For example, a successful PMM should be able to translate insights into strategy, build power narratives that engage customers, and drive cross-functional alignment/execution. Therefore, you can apply those skills in a more data-driven way on the demand gen side, or you could use those abilities to have more ownership over product decision-making as a PM, o ...Read More

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  2. For someone chasing the CMO position in the next 8-10 years, would you recommend them to practice brand marketing before product marketing or reverse?

    I have experience in both fields but not really in a dedicated fashion. I am now standing at a stage where I have to choose between 2 options: AM - Brand marketing or Sr. PMM. What would you have chosen?

    Jason Lyman
    Jason Lyman

    Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer • 2y

    The answer to this question really depends on the size of the company where you want to be CMO. Larger companies with massive scale and sell more mature products must implement successful brand marketing strategies to compete. Therefore, I would optimize your development of that brand marketing skill set. However, if you want to work for a smaller company or an organization selling products in a newer product category, they value that product marketing skill set when selecting a CMO. While there ...Read More

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  3. I am an MBA student and interested in product marketing. I am currently helping an early stage startup, However, I am the only product marketer. What are the things I must make sure I do so that it helps me get the next job ?

    Jason Lyman
    Jason Lyman

    Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer • 2y

    I believe that the best PMMs demonstrate the following characteristics - Customer-centric, Metrics-driven, and Strategically-aligned. I would seek out experiences that help you develop these skills. Here some examples of how to do that: Customer-centric: Most PMM projects would benefit from new insights from customers or prospects. Therefore, I would make sure that you build out time to complete those conversations into your project plan(s) and weave those learnings into the deliverables of the ...Read More

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  4. In a large company, how can you ensure you are making an impact in your role as a product marketer?

    Jason Lyman
    Jason Lyman

    Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer • 2y

    I would ask your manager what are the top priorities for the broader organization and then push to get projects that support those efforts. In a bigger organization, a lot of good work goes unnoticed because the executive team tends to just focus on the “big rocks” that they are trying to move forward. Therefore, the best way to deliver impact is to complete work that aligns with the things that they care about. 

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  5. How do you grow from a PMM to senior PMM at a hypergrowth startup where you don't have time to “ramp up” your skills?

    Jason Lyman
    Jason Lyman

    Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer • 2y

    I was the second PMM at Dropbox, and when I left 4.5 years later, I managed a team of more than 20 PMMs, so I can empathize with your situation. I found that self-reflection is extremely important. You need to constantly evaluate the performance of different projects or initiatives so you can know where to double down on what worked and understand where iteration is needed. Also, you need to observe what other top performers are doing and replicate their approach. You don’t have time to “recreat ...Read More

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  6. When applying to pmm jobs, how important is it to align your past experiences with the new role? (For instance, if you worked in ecommerce, only apply to ecommerce roles.)

    I've noticed that when my experience doesn't align exactly, I don't make it past round 2 or round 3 of the interview.

    Jason Lyman
    Jason Lyman

    Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer • 2y

    While it is always easier if your past experience is directly related to the new role you are exploring, it does not mean that you can’t get a job outside of that scope. The key is figuring out what skills or attributes that they are looking for. Then, you need to figure out how to position your past experience so it appears to apply to the challenges that they are trying to solve. PMMs need to be great storytellers, so this is your opportunity to apply those skills to get the job you want!

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  7. When do you know it's time to move on versus digging in and trying to shape an org or a role the way you want it?

    Jason Lyman
    Jason Lyman

    Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer • 2y

    Career development is not a ladder but a winding path so there is never a clear cut answer that I can share. However, I tend to push people to answer the following questions when deciding whether to stay or move on from a role: Am I challenged in my current role and still learning new things? Am I happy working in my current role?  If you answer “yes” to these questions, I would lean toward staying in your current role because it means that you will continue to grow professionally and it is a go ...Read More

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  8. What tools are invaluable for those new to product marketing to have familiarity/experience with?

    Jason Lyman
    Jason Lyman

    Customer.io Chief Marketing Officer • 2y

    I would seek out frameworks or templates that help you deliver on key product marketing activities. For example, leading product launches is a common task, so find a launch project plan that helps you deliver high-quality output and consistent execution for this important initiative. Given that people have personal preferences and companies have different expectations, no single template or framework is consistently used by everyone. Therefore, I would research the most common options and pick t ...Read More

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