Sharebird
Catlyn Origitano

AMA: Fivetran VP of Product Marketing, Catlyn Origitano on Messaging


April 13, 2022 @ 10:00AM PT

View AMA Answers

  1. How do you measure the impact of product marketing in your company?

    The demand gen teams can optimize pipeline, MQLs and costs per lead. The sales people work to meet their quotas. Marketing support completes tickets within a time window. What objective measures do we PMMs have?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    Most of our PMMs are in Pods - where a PM and PMM focus on a certain area of the business. Each pod shares a North Star Metric - most of which are revenue based and come down from our overall business goals. While of course we aren't 100% responsible for that goal - that is, sales has to sell it! - it helps us stay focused and measure our impact. For folks that don't have a specific revenue goal, primarily because it might be hard to measure or change quarter to quarter, we still have North Star ...Read More

    648 Views
    2 requests
  2. How do you ensure that product marketers you manage are creating great messaging, and hitting the right milestones?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    I am a project manager at heart. So I push the team to be the same. We have our roadmaps which we present and then turn into tickets for overall tracking. We also have a monthly reivew on areas of the business - so this let's us check in on how things are going and what is getting done.  For messaging and materials in particular, we do a quarterly review of our materials. We try and make it fun - we listen to different music, everyone picks a song, and we go through and update and verify our mat ...Read More

    391 Views
    2 requests
  3. How do you communicate product marketing achievements upwards and build visibility?

    It can sometimes be a struggle for those on the executive team, or in higher leadership roles, to see the value that product marketing is bringing to the business - especially if they do not have regular interaction. How do you build visibility for you and/or your team, and clearly communicate the achievements and activities throughout the year?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    We are a slack heavy company. So we have our own announcement channel for all things Marketing that I actually started so that we could share our updates! 

    We also do quarterly roadmaps and retros where PM + PMMs present their upcoming roadmap and a retro on their activities from the past quarter. All of Product and PMM go - and we invite our key stakeholders across the business, including the leaders from other areas of Marketing. 

    869 Views
    3 requests
  4. Should a product marketing manager be a SaaS startup's first hire, and why?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    Absolutely! I have been hearing more and more PMMs being the first hire - or leading the team. Our own CMO is a former PMM. I think a lot of it has to do with the industry - when you talk to a technical buyer, having a PMM as your first hire can really help accelerate your ability to find the right messaging, pitch, website copy, and more. 

    343 Views
    3 requests
  5. Where does in-app copy fit in your org? (Under Product Marketing, Design or other?)

    Particularly interested in technical products, but also curious for nontechnical.

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    In-app copy does fit with Product Marketing - and Product! So technically, our PM team owns the in-product experience but PMM has full access to the tool. We have a slack channel for all in-app messaging and anyone who wants to do one posts in there following a format that says the purpose, how long it will run, to whom it will be shown, and a preview. Folks can ask questions, offer suggestions, and then we give the approval to set live. The results of these go into our quarterly retros.  If it ...Read More

    465 Views
    3 requests
  6. How do you prioritize your product marketing projects and still make time for ad-hoc requests?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    We work with our PM team to create a quarterly roadmap. This helps us align with them on the major releases that are happening, discovery work we need to do, and align on key activities to influence growth.  We also then do a big marketing team-wide planning every quarter to ensure that, for example, those big product releases are also on Content & Demand Generation's calendar. We then have a ticketing system where folks can input requests. We review these on a bi-weekly basis to see if some ...Read More

    419 Views
    3 requests
  7. What is your process for developing portfolio messaging and how is it different from developing product messaging?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    At Fivetran, we actually have a few different Product Marketing teams in order to be able to do both core product messaging as well as more portfolio messaging. At Fivetran, folks find us / use us for particular analytic challenges - like Marketing Analytics, Finance Analytics, Sales Analytics, etc. As a result, we have pods dedicated to each of these areas. The core of the pod is a PMM and a PM - and they are mapped to the data sources associated with each use case (e.g., Marketing Analytics po ...Read More

    961 Views
    4 requests
  8. Who owns messaging and positioning in a product marketing org?

    Specifically in the context of having only~2 product marketers, both of whom are counterparts vs. a team lead and direct report. On that note, if it's such a small team, who is best equipped to lead positioning and messaging (based on skill sets) or should this be a collaborative effort?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    At Fivetran, product marketing owns it. One of the main reasons is because our buyers and users are very technical folks who are turned off by fluffy marketing. As a result, our messaging must be very straight forward, factual, and concise. So it makes sense for that to originate with our Product Marketing team who knows the Product well and are constantly in communication with customers. We are only now developing more of our brand messaging - and even then Product Marketing is heavily involved ...Read More

    417 Views
    2 requests
  9. Do you have a methodology for validating messaging with users before a campaign goes live? I'm thinking of marketing campaigns here, not product or UX.

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    We do - but we are also iterating here as we speak! In the past, I have reached out to some customers and folks I know in the industry to sit down and do some quick validation on messaing. For example, when we launched our new website and put up our first billboards, we had a good sense of what we wanted to say but wanted to confirm that the direction we were going would resonate. So we schedulded some quick meetings and got raw feedback on some key phrases. We've done the same with changes to o ...Read More

    661 Views
    4 requests
  10. How do you track internal adoption of sales enablement?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    We use Workramp for formal trainings - so we can see with that tool completion rates and if there are quizzes or assesments, how folks did on those. We have more informal training sessions called Scoops for our sales / csm team and then a Technical Scoop for our technical teams. We also hold office hours for newer, more technical product or feature releases. The overall questions and engagement - while more qualitative - help us assess how well enablement is going there.

    362 Views
    3 requests
  11. When various audiences have differing levels of required depth or technical literacy and interest, how do you organize your messaging so that the most relevant information, reaches the intended audience?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    Ultimately, we make both kinds of information available - or at least we try to! So for example, our website has a lot of high level messaging about our secruity capabilities, for example. But we also have links to our security whitepaper - which most security teams need to read as part of the procurement process. So we try to make it as much as possible a choose your own adventure - that is easy for them to find what they need. If they want to go deep, we don't hide that information and our Doc ...Read More

    428 Views
    2 requests
  12. How do you defend the messaging that you’ve created when everyone in our company has an opinion about messaging.

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    200%. The way that, when necessary, I defend messaging is with customer feedback and validation. For example, with our website copy and billboard - I got some push back that it wouldn't really resonate. So I scheduled some sessions with customers to get their feedback. With that in hand, it was a lot easier to defend my positioning - since what the others had was just a feeling that it wasn't right, while I had names and quotes about why it was.  But ultimately, I, and the rest of the team, trie ...Read More

    363 Views
    3 requests
  13. What are the best practices in creating messaging that works across geographies?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    At my previous company, Sojern, we had this very problem! We wanted to translate all of our sales decks and materials but every time we tried we found that it took more effort, time, and money than it seemed to be worth - that is, the translations would always come back and be considered poor by the folks who would use them.  So, we did a few things to make revamp our messaging and it had to start at the foundation. I explained to our VP of Sales - garbage in, garbage out.  The first thing we di ...Read More

    443 Views
    3 requests
  14. What advice could you share for people marketing to developers?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    Start with the facts. Then add in what actual customers or prospects have said. Or if you don't have that yet - a respected third party - like a Gartner. And only then try to make it clever. I think too often marketing folks start with the clever and work backwards - but especially developers, they want to know it works, they want to get into the weeds right away, and they will be put off or blow past any overly clever, overly fluffy marketing. 

    600 Views
    2 requests
  15. How does a Product Marketer become better at crafting effective messaging?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    Generally speaking, the way we've gone about it at Fivetran is with a few key gates. First, we have a messaging doc template that we use. It contains things like business pain points, personas, messaging in 10 words, 25 words, glossary of terms, etc. This is usually developed with the lead PM on the group.  We listen to customer calls or do our own to better understand why customers want the thing we are building or bringing to market. If it is a bigger launch, we've vetted our messaging with an ...Read More

    508 Views
    5 requests
  16. How difficult it is to become a PMM after MBA without prior marketing experience? What can be done when companies ask for prior PMM experience?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    Our PMM intern - who is now a full-time Associate PMM - has this exact background! And we will be hiring another such intern in a month or so! :) 

    If you don't have the PMM experience per se, try to do activities associated with PMM work - like creating sales enablement, doing customer interviews, creating sales materials. At a smaller company, many marketing folks have to do it all - so you can start at a place like that and lean into projects that are more PMM-y.

    1,560 Views
    2 requests
  17. How can you create urgency in messaging to convince prospective buyers to buy now?

    Catlyn Origitano
    Catlyn Origitano

    Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

    If it is a new product or feature, we use promotions to get customers to adopt asap. The other tactic we look to weave throughout our messaging is the promise of what their workloads could look like if they adopted this new system, tool, feature, etc. If we make it about them, about what they could have or achieve - as opposed to just what their larger business can have - we have found it resonates better and creates a greater sense of urgency. 

    514 Views
    3 requests