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AMA: Eventbrite Former Head of Product Marketing, Greg Hollander on Customer Research


December 20, 2017 @ 11:00AM PT

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  1. How do you create competitive intel that is really beneficial to sales (i.e. they actually read and use it)?

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    This is a little meta, but the best advice I have is to treat your sellers as your customers.  What would you do to try to understand how to get a customer to use your product?  Do some research - via interviews, observations, surveys, etc, and learn their workflows, their gaps, their pain points, etc when it comes to how they use content to prep for sales calls (and for inside sales, while they’re actually on calls).  Then prototype (if appropriate), and get them to walk you through how they’d ...Read More

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  2. Can you share your experience about segmentation and personas definition?

    I'm so sure it is so important for good products being focus on an addecuate segmentation or undestand personas, but what do you consider are the steps or the best process for getting a good segmentation?

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    I’ve typically seen segmentation and personas fall flat in one of two ways: either they were purely based on readily available internal data (usually, transaction or product-focused), or they were purely based on external interviews and didn’t come with a perspective on how representative they were of our customer or prospect base.  The result: Sales uses one, Product uses another.  To drive towards maximum alignment of “who is our customer, and what do they care about”, it’s important to merge ...Read More

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  3. How do you convince your company that it's worth the time to invest in researching and making buyer personas?

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    As they say, the proof’s in the pudding. If you work with folks who don’t see the value, it’s only once you get people using them and benefitting from them that they’ll be asking for more.  In general I think Product Marketing is about using your customer expertise to place smart bets on the places that are going to move the needle.  If you have a lot of conviction that personas are needed, you should place that bet.   Alternatively, if you’re not sure of the impact they’ll have, it might be wor ...Read More

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  4. How have you historically sourced people to interview while developing personas?

    Especially if you don't have any customers that fit the bill my current plan is to assemble a list of possible titles and have my virtual assistant company prospect for and find contact details for them then probably send out a survey to validate if they're the right people to talk to and reach out individually to the ones that fit the bill.

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

      If you’re looking for specific titles, I think the approach you laid out makes sense. The screener survey is super important for making sure you’re find representative folks to talk to (based on your customer base or intended customer base), and not wasting your time. For sourcing the initial list, I try to make them a mix of current customers (sourced from our database) and potential prospects.  For prospects, I use an intercept on some of our web content, and sometimes tap into panels like G ...Read More

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  5. What are the different ways of testing the customer profiles and messaging for each profile?

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    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    I have NOT found success testing messages out of context, like in surveys. It’s hard for respondents to truly put themselves in a buyer’s mindset. I’d recommend putting messaging into practice, in context, in ways that you can test and iterate.  For example, look at lift in conversion on landing pages, ads, or emails with messaging A vs. messaging B. Put pages up on sites like UserTesting.com to hear first-hand from potential customers (I’ve found a lot of success with the screeners they offer). ...Read More

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  6. How do you approach creating personas? Do you have personas that the business-at-large uses versus personas just for launches? How often do you create/refresh the two?

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    For a full answer, check out my response to the question above about approaching segmentation and personas.   Specifically as it relates to launches, I try to keep of our "business-at-large" target customers in mind (ideally, we've already built product with one of those target customers in mind), but will often double click to understand the sub-segments that would be most interested in what's launching, so that I can further tailor messaging to the audiences that will best achieve the launch's ...Read More

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  7. How do you see qualitative research differently from UX research, if at all, when it comes to product marketing?

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    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    The best way I’ve learned to think about it is that as Product Marketers you should be focused on researching the buyer, whereas UX researchers are focused on the User.  Sometimes this overlaps and results in different questions on the same content - for example, we might show the same landing page or in-product modal but they ask about whether the user found the information they needed, and I ask about how they interpreted names or messages.  That’s great, and creates a strong partnership.  Oth ...Read More

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  8. How do you approach persona definition when you are targeting freelancers or small business web development companies? The market is fragmented so it gets difficult to define a persona and its attributes.

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    I don’t have any direct experience in this sector, but I’d encourage you to start by better understanding the segments of your market.  Whether through interviews, surveys, or product usage analysis (ideally some combination), you’ll need to identify the common threads between segments of your seemingly-fragmented base, and then create personas based on those segments.  Some dimensions to consider that span across job titles/industries/buyer types: “jobs to be done” (see Clayton Christensen’s wo ...Read More

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  9. Are you always aiming for a single persona? Or are there situations where two or more make more sense?

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    More than one persona can definitely make sense.  It just depends on the business.  Ideally you want to have one persona per “target audience”.  The balance is having enough to create coverage across the segment(s) that are strategically valuable to the business, and not too many that they become information overload and are not actionable.

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  10. How do you make sure to get feedback from decision maker, researcher/influencer in buy GN process and user.

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    This one’s all about sourcing. In a survey, I typically ask the “who are you?” question directly, and make sure I get over-sample of each crucial role. In interviews, I try to make sure I’m talking to a mix of “above the line” (only cares about ROI) and “below the line” (product user) buyers, as appropriate for the questions. Ultimately, you may not be able to get perfect information from all sides — it’s up to you to uncover clues and connect the dots as best you can.

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  11. What can you learn from decision makers before they've become customers?

    Greg Hollander
    Greg Hollander

    Novi VP of GTM & Strategy • 8y

    This one’s a sensitive one, since it’s tough (and not necessarily good for the business) to get in the middle of a sales process. I’ve found most success reaching out to folks cold who are not in a buying cycle, and currently use a competitor, with the offer of just trying to learn more about their needs.  Even better if you have direct collaboration with Product and can tell the interviewees that what you learn from them will influence the solution you’re building, which would be available to t ...Read More

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