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AMA: SoundCloud Former Vice President of Product Marketing, Ryan Goldman on Developing Your Product Marketing Career


May 5, 2021 @ 10:00AM PT

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  1. What are good product marketing OKRs?

    I would like to know what metrics are used to measure PMM and what does good look like

    Ryan Goldman
    Ryan Goldman

    Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

    Tricky question! To be honest, OKRs (Objectives & Key Results) are HIGHLY context- and business-specific, so there isn't such thing as "good OKRs for Product Marketing" in the abstract. You should be aligning PMM OKRs to the OKRs at the company level. And keep in mind that they are all about business transformation, not keeping the lights on. So they will involve stretch goals and should intersect and overlap with the OKRs of other teams across the org, not be strictly unique. On the other h ...Read More

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  2. What is your favorite product marketing interview question and the best answer you've heard?

    Ryan Goldman
    Ryan Goldman

    Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

    My favorite question to ask is something along the lines of "Here's a big initiative we're planning to roll out, and whoever gets this job will own at least part of the planning and execution. How would you go about making the initiative successful?" A great answer always includes something like "Before I get into the tactical details, let me just first check that I understand why this initiative is so important. Please tell me where I'm mistaken, but I assume the objectives are..." And the best ...Read More

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  3. What is the best way to prepare a mock Go-To-Market plan for a product in a very precise and concise way, when asked in an interview?

    I usually come across an interview round wherein I am handed the task of preparing a mock GTM plan for a product. I find it pretty vague as expectations vary widely and I am usually confused about what all to include and how to represent. Is there any example?

    Ryan Goldman
    Ryan Goldman

    Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

    As a candidate, you're never expected by the interviewer to have all the context. So it's an impossible expectation to put on yourself (unless you're an internal candidate or have an insider hookup). So you should re-frame the exercise as less about arriving at the right answer and more about demonstrating your abilities as a problem-solver and effective planner. Here are the biggest tricks to getting this right: Start by clearly articulating the actual, often underlying, business objective Crea ...Read More

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  4. How do you make the jump from senior manager to director level in product marketing?

    Ryan Goldman
    Ryan Goldman

    Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

    Adopt a mentality that focuses on the market first, not the product. That way, you can serve your partners in Product, Engineering, Demand Generation, Revenue, Growth, Sales, Customer Success, etc. in ways that they wouldn't be able to serve themselves. And use that mentalithy to get things done -- create artifacts, not just strategies.

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  5. What would you rec highlighting in prod mar portfolio and what would make a candidate stand out to you?

    Writing samples? Case studies?

    Ryan Goldman
    Ryan Goldman

    Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

    The trifecta of short-form published writing, long-form writing, and enablement materials always does the trick for me. If I can see the candidate has written a great feature-related blog post or one-pager, a positioning and differentiation narrative, and slides that cue up best practices, then I'm a happy hiring manager.

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  6. How to approach the conversation with my manager regarding promotion after working in b2b product marketing for several years and not been promoted

    I started a new role recently at the PMM level, and already have several years of PMM experience. both roles were in enterprise software, but the industries / products are very different so there is a big learning curve in the new role

    Ryan Goldman
    Ryan Goldman

    Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

    To be honest, you shouldn't assume years of experience or tenure influence promotion. Promotion, especially at earlier-stage companies, is super aligned to where you create value for the company and being able to align that value to the highest-level corporate goals. This is especially true in PMM, where the metrics and KPIs are not nearly as straightforward as Growth or Demand Generation, for example. So, don't only be your own advocate, but, more importantly, advocate to develop and work on pr ...Read More

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  7. What's the best piece of career advice you received?

    Ryan Goldman
    Ryan Goldman

    Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

    Part 1: Don't let being right stand in the way of understanding what's most important to your stakeholder.

    Part 2: "Take your talents to South Beach." 

    Meaning, if your stakeholder is C-level, and they say out loud that they don't want or need you, GET OUT! Do as LeBron did when he announced his first departure from the Cavs. Chances are, they'll only figure it out after you're gone, and they'll sooner than later want someone like you to come back.

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  8. How do you assess leadership potential when a candidate is looking to grow in product marketing? What are the top skills?

    Ryan Goldman
    Ryan Goldman

    Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

    The biggest attributes that indicate PMM leadership potential are:  Comfort with ambiguity Ability to articulate a thematic narrative Planning, delegation, and execution skills in tandem Ambiguity is a fact of life, especially when it comes to product roadmaps, timelines, and resources. A great PMM leader will help others see that the ambiguity isn't an absence of playing field, but a more frictionless path towards whichever endzone they choose. Thematic narratives are key to setting the PMM vis ...Read More

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