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AMA: Twilio Principal Product Marketing Manager, IoT, Elizabeth Grossenbacher on Influencing the Product Roadmap


January 18, 2023 @ 10:00AM PT

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Elizabeth Grossenbacher

Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco

👋 Hi everyone! I'm Elizabeth ("Elle") Grossenbacher, located near San Francisco!

💼 I'm just about to expand my role at Cisco where I'll lead Product Marketing for the Secure Routing portfolio.

👀 Top of mind for me right now: Positioning! "Reinventing" or "Reintroducing" your portfolio.

🤝 I can help others on all things competitive/market intelligence, customer insights, AR for PMM work, PMM Carer coaching, and messaging/storytelling.

🍦 Favorite ice cream flavor: Baskin Robins Love Potion! They only have it in February, it's amazing.

  1. What are two examples that you would share of how you influence the product roadmap to a Product Manager?

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    Any time I’ve influenced the product roadmap, it was a direct result of a customer-centric research initiative. Here are two examples of this: Focus Groups! After dozens of Voice of Customer interviews, I put together a face-to-face focus group. The event coincided with a key industry event, so all of our focus group participants were in the same area at the same time. I worked with the PM ahead of time to select participants and establish the goals and agenda. Together, we created a set of exer ...Read More

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  2. What kinds of market research do you do to shape the product roadmap and build, buy, and partner strategy? And more tactically, what format do you share your analysis?

    I'm tasked with doing market research -- voice of the customer, competitive intelligence, and doing internal interviews -- to segment a new market and what we need to invest in to increase market penetration.

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    I use both primary and secondary research. Here is a non-exhaustive list of research sources to help you get started: customer interviews, customer surveys, customer usage data, recorded sales calls (or interviews with sales if recorded calls are not available), sales data or win-loss reports, analyst research notes (Gartner, IDC, Forrester, Omdia, and 451 are the first ones I’d go to, but there are many others out there). Once I gather all of the data, I look for themes or trends. If I need mor ...Read More

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  3. How have you been able to successfully impact the product roadmap when you disagreed with a product leader and were able to persuade them?

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    Story time! I once worked at a small company where two stakeholders disagreed on the product roadmap. The CTO disagreed with the CPO. In that scenario, the CTO had the experience as the customer, so this person felt that the experience was valid and warranted a seat at the table in product development discussions. As the PMM on the product, I took extra care to understand why the CTO disagreed. I took an inquisitive approach and treated the conversation like an interview with a Key Opinion Leade ...Read More

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  4. How do you define between a customer(s) want or request and a feature that is actually needed?

    Customers may want many things, but it might not always be the right feature to implement. How do you decide this?

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    My first thought is: Have you asked your PM this exact question? ;) In my experience, balancing customer wants and needs is typically handled by the PM, while PMM supports recommendations based on market and customer intelligence. How we handle this is by answering a handful of questions: What is the customer trying to do? What’s the best way to help the customer achieve this (based on time, money, resources, experience, etc.)? Can we help the customer do it better, faster, and/or cheaper? What ...Read More

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  5. How do you advocate for adding a new feature to the roadmap when it's something competitors have launched and customers are asking for, but internally it isn't seen as a priority?

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    First I try to understand why it isn’t a priority. I’ve seen this happen a lot. Many times, it’s because our brilliant product managers are trying to build a better way to “do it.” Other times, it’s because the feature doesn’t really make sense for the market, and it’s just a marketing ploy. For example, imagine that your company offers cellular connectivity to non-phone devices (think, a water meter in middle-America). In the telecom world, 5G is a really hot topic. And it’s a great technology ...Read More

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  6. Who should lead the creation of Customer Advisory Board? PMM with PM and CS or PM and CS with the advisory of PMM?

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    Anyone can lead a Customer Advisory Board (CAB). But when you put together the goals of the CAB, you’ll see that it’s more efficient for it to sit under PMM. Here are two main reasons for this: It’s part of our job. 😉 PMMs are uniquley positioned to lead the CAB because we already aim to inform the product roadmap, create the GTM strategy, and influence the way we do business. We acheve these by delivering market and customer insights, which fits so naturally with a CAB. PMMs are trained to unde ...Read More

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  7. What is the role of the product marketer when it comes to monitoring product analytics? What metrics to monitor? How do we differentiate the metrics a product marketer has to monitor from those that the PM owns?

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    This will depend on how your organization defines the PMM vs PM role. While I’ve never seen PMM “owning” product-specific analytics, I’ve also never seen PMM function without utilizing these metrics for analysis. Whoever “owns” these metrics will vary by organization. I would start by having a frank conversation about what datapoints the PMM can easily gather, and which ones you need to complete your analysis. Just because you need a datapoint doesn’t mean you “own” its gathering. In our busines ...Read More

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  8. How do you manage and inform the futuristic vision of the product roadmap with current customer requirements / feedback?

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    I view these as two different things: (1) informing the future vision of the product roadmap and (2) impacting the roadmap in the short term to meet current customer requirements. An example for #1: A few years ago, I partnered with a PM to dream up a product that was unlike anything else on the market. Once we had a few big ideas, we did some market research with secondary data from analysts. From there, we put together a focus group to get customer feedback and validate the secondary research. ...Read More

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  9. How much of your product design is data driven based on product marketing learnings and experimentation vs trusting the word of the designer?

    Elizabeth Grossenbacher

    Fmr Product Marketing Leader, Cisco | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Gartner • 3y

    We have never quantified this, but I will say that we always start with assumptions (i.e., “the work of the designer”). But then we go on to validate (or disprove) and further iterate on those assumptions with what PMM uncovers from customer data. I come to every collaboration with the assumption that the designer I’m partnering with cares deeply about the usage of her design. I have a degree in design, and I can tell you that user-centric design is at the core of any formal training. World famo ...Read More

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