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AMA: Atlassian Sr. Director: Head of Global Lifecycle Marketing, Teamwork Foundations (Self-serve & High Touch), Ami Denman on Product Marketing / Demand Gen Alignment


June 16 @ 10:00AM PT

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  1. How do you handle situations where PMM's positioning is right but the ICP they defined doesn't actually convert at the bottom of the funnel?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16

    It can feel tricky or prickly depending on your approach. If you treat it like a joint optimization as opposed to a handoff problem, things will feel less tense and more like a shared problem that the data can help solve.  I'd start with the assumption that positioning and ICP are never fully finished- they are iterative while being validated by data and real world feedback like performance data and customer conversions. If positioning is resonating but conversion is breaking down at the bottom, ...Read More

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  2. How do you get PMM to build content that's actually usable in paid and lifecycle, not just thought leadership and sales decks?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16

    In my experience, this is probably two problems. The first is that PMM may not have visibility into what content actually performs by buying stage and customer intent. The second is that different channels have different format requirements that aren't always obvious from the outside. Demand gen's job is to close that gap - not just flag it. Map current content to each buying stage, identify what's missing, and bring that to PMM as a brief or as part of a planning session. In the past, my teams ...Read More

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  3. What does a healthy feedback loop from demand gen back to PMM actually look like in practice, not in theory?

    Who owns closing that loop?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16

    In practice, a healthy feedback loop is a two-way street with a regular cadence behind it. It can be its own meeting, but it can also live as a standing section in your weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly touchpoints, plus a regular campaign lookback that both teams contribute to. Demand gen owns bringing performance data: what's working in paid, what's converting in lifecycle, where things are stalling and why. PMM owns bringing their side: new research, customer conversation insights, anything they' ...Read More

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  4. How do you translate a positioning doc into actual ad copy, email subject lines, and landing page hierarchy?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16

    Ideally, I'm not starting with just a positioning doc. PMM provides the positioning, messaging framework, value props, and proof points. Demand gen translates that into a campaign strategy and testing plan, and Creative brings it to life. More and more, I'm seeing the onus shift to Demand Gen, so it's a great question. I typically break a positioning doc into three parts: the customer problem, the value proposition, and the proof. Then I map those to the customer journey. I use ads to introduce ...Read More

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  5. If demand gen doesn't have a seat at the product launch planning table, how did you get one?

    What was the forcing function?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16

    It's stressful when you don't have a seat. I've learned, the best way to get a one is by showing up to early planning with a clear point of view on what you need, when you need it, and how it connects to the pipeline target. If you don't have a seat yet, start with your PMM. Come with a plan: what you need from them, what Creative needs to build, and what the timeline has to look like for campaigns to be ready at launch. Then show them how your plan will get the company to its target. Once you d ...Read More

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  6. How do you push back when PMM defines a launch as "awareness only" but you're on a pipeline number?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16

    Usually when PMM is saying something is "awareness only", it's because there is either a miscommunication happening somewhere or it's a goal problem. In these situations, I suggest simply asking why they feel that way or what's driving their conclusion. I have found that most times, these conversations are really helpful in uncovering "the why" and also pointing you to the next appropriate person to speak to.

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  7. How do you get PMM to sit in on enough sales calls that they stop writing messaging for the problem customers say they have versus the problem they're actually buying to solve?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16


    Assuming you've been sitting in on sales calls, it can be as simple as setting up a meeting with the sales team and your PMM and facilitating the discussion. When I have done this in the past, it has always opened up conversations in a completely different way and it helps to have an additional voice reinforce what you know. With most things, make it as easy as possible for PMM to hear it directly so that what needs to change is clear.


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  8. How much should demand gen be shaping positioning based on what's working in channels vs. deferring to PMM's research?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16

    Demand gen should be shaping positioning once it's in market via performance data. PMM's research tells you what the market thinks before they engage. Channel performance tells you what's actually resonating when messaging meets a real person at scale. Both inform positioning but at different stages. In practice, if something is consistently outperforming in paid or lifecycle, that's a signal worth bringing to PMM. Not as "your positioning is wrong" but as "here's what we're seeing and it might ...Read More

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  9. When you've built something that outperforms PMM's recommended messaging, how do you share that finding in a way that strengthens the relationship rather than creating defensiveness?

    Ami Denman
    Ami Denman

    Atlassian Sr. Director: Lifecycle & CRM | Formerly Atlassian, Walmart, Popchips, PlayStation • Jun 16

    Lead with the win, not the gap. If something outperformed, that's good news for everyone: the product, the campaign, the business. Remembering this and coming at the situation this way changes the whole dynamic. In practice, I'd bring the data in the context of the feedback loop, not as a standalone finding. Here's what we tested, here's what performed, here's what it might mean for how we're messaging to this segment. Then ask PMM what they think. I find that when you ask for their interpretati ...Read More

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