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AMA: Demandbase VP Product and Industry Marketing, Jackie Palmer on Pricing and Packaging


January 24, 2023 @ 9:00AM PT

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Jackie Palmer

VP Product Marketing · ActiveCampaign

I am an accomplished product marketing leader with 20+ years of experience in product strategy, product marketing, and product management for fast-growing software companies. As a hands-on leader, I love to build and mentor teams and am an expert at cross-functional team building, bridging the technical and non-technical divide.

In my current role as VP of Product Marketing at ActiveCampaign, I lead a team of rockstar product and customer marketers that help small teams power big businesses via our autonomous marketing platform and AI agents that imagine, activate, and validate your marketing.
  1. How do we capture competitor pricing in a sales-led enterprise business?

    My sales team at my B2B software company wants to know more about how our competitors price their products.

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    Similar to other questions above, there are lots of resources to leverage when thinking about pricing and packaging including competitor pricing. Here are some that I've found most useful: Competitor websites (hopefully you'll be lucky and they'll publish their pricing!). Know that whatever you find here is likely to be higher than actual selling price as it is not usually inclusive of discounts or promotions Review websites like G2 and TrustRadius. Often people will comment on the price they pa ...Read More

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  2. We have traditionally been focused on SMB / Mid-Market and are now trying to go to market to the Enterprise. What questions do you recommend we ask internally to get to product market fit with our new Enterprise pricing and packaging?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    As mentioned before, taking an existing product into a new market should always include pricing and packaging research. Research methods include competitor websites, review websites, marketplaces, industry analysts, independent research/survey firms, your existing customers or prospects, your existing partners, and your sales team, etc. If you've been able to win some deals with the enterprise customers you are shifting to, you should definitely interview those customers. Some questions to ask i ...Read More

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  3. How do you make an internal business case for product marketing to own pricing?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    If Product Marketing doesn't own pricing in your organization today, here are some things you can include in a proposal to get it moved: Competitor knowledge - PMM is often closest to the competitors and can bring this knowledge into the pricing conversation. While you should never price a certain way just because a competitor does, the fact that PMM knows the competitors the best is often key to making the case to own pricing. Industry analyst access - you've usually got the ear of analysts lik ...Read More

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  4. What are some best practices when implementing a price increase rollout?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    The first thing I do when considering a price increase rollout is research. Some of the key pieces of information you need to gather are: Past average selling price (for an existing product or similar product) - you can get this from your RevOps/Sales Ops team if you don't have access to it yourself. Past deals - so you can use them as before and after examples in your presentation to your pricing committee. Competitive prices - sometimes Sales may have this from competitor order forms they've b ...Read More

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  5. How product marketing can initiate pricing and packaging conversations cross-functionally? Who all should be involved in a council to discuss and sign off?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    In my experience, a pricing committee is the most important team you can have for pricing and packaging. Maybe if your company is super small, you can get away without one. But really, once you start having a decent number of customers and deals, you should have a formal process in place and a cross-functional team to review and approve pricing and packaging. Like I've said in some of the previous answers, cross-functional teams including sales are super important. Here's who I've seen as critic ...Read More

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  6. How many price points and packages should I offer customers?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    If you have a relatively simple product, you don't have to offer a lot of packages. But if you have the ability to do different packages because you have enough features to merit them, then I would recommend going with three packages. Most customers will look at the three options and say, well I certainly don't want to take the lowest level because I'm not just starting out (unless they actually are!) and I don't want the highest option because I'm not gigantic so I'm going to go with the one in ...Read More

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  7. When you make the decision to lower the price of a product, how do you address that change with existing customers (those who have paid the higher price)?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    I've always taken the approach that you don't touch existing customers until at least renewal time. So if you lower your pricing there is no need to address your current customers until they come up for renewal. When they do come up for renewal, you may have to minimize your year over year price increases for those existing customers until they get closer to the average selling price of those customers on the new, lower pricing. If you publish your pricing and the current customers can see that ...Read More

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  8. How do you plan for and adjust pricing/packaging when product teams deploy weekly/monthly?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    Product deployments should really not affect pricing significantly especially weekly changes. Really you should only focus on pricing and packaging changes for big feature additions which are probably at least in your monthly releases or maybe even only some of those monthly releases. So I would focus on the feature itself to determine if it merits a price/package adjustment and not tie it to a weekly/monthly release.

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  9. My company wants to go upmarket and increase the average sale price of its products. How do we do this?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    Taking an existing product into a new market should always include pricing and packaging research. First, I would begin with some of the research methods that I've mentioned before. These would include competitor websites, review websites, marketplaces, industry analysts, independent research/survey firms, your existing customers or prospects, your existing partners, and your sales team, to name a few.  Ideally you've been able to win some deals with the upmarket/enterprise customers you are try ...Read More

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  10. how do you think about the relationship between product positioning and pricing?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    You may not think that product positioning and pricing are necessarily related. However, something you should definitely consider as you look at pricing a product is how you are going to position it. If you are targeting different segments with the same product, either enterprise/mid-market, different industries, different locations etc, you need to assess how that will affect your pricing. You may need to have different packaging for those different segments and that different packaging could b ...Read More

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  11. For the first time we want to approach monetization in a structured way. So we're planning to run our first ever pricing project. How do we structure such a project?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    I would definitely advise building out a pricing committee even if it was just a temporary one for this specific project only. In previous answers, I've outlined the teams needed in a pricing committee but just to repeat, here's who should be involved: Product Marketing - proposes pricing and packaging changes, partners with Product Management (sometimes Product Management sends a representive to meetings), consults with Sales and Sales Management, approves pricing changes, conducts pricing enab ...Read More

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  12. Who should own pricing? Product marketing or product management? What is the ideal role of either?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    I've been in both product marketing and product management and in both cases I have owned pricing so I can see it both ways for sure. But (and I admit I might be biased!) I strongly believe that product marketing should own pricing as PMM is often the most cross-functional team and also closest to all the outside influence factors. However, regardless of who owns it, both product management and product marketing should be involved.  While both teams often have conversations with customers, prosp ...Read More

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  13. How do you approach competitive intel for pricing?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    As mentioned before, competitive intel is important to at least understand when thinking about pricing and packaging. You certainly shouldn't price a particular way just because your competitors do but you should always at least understand what the competitive landscape looks like. Here are some resources I've found useful: Competitor websites (hopefully you'll be lucky and they'll publish their pricing!). Know that whatever you find here is likely to be higher than actual selling price as it is ...Read More

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  14. When re-pricing what all one must consider in order to stay competitive in the market ?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    I've found that it is a best practice to evaluate your prices at least once a year for most products. If your market changes very rapidly, you may consider bi-annual or quarterly pricing reviews but for most annually is great. You need to consider both outside conditions, like inflation, global/local economic changes, new competitive entrants, market consolidation or fragmentation, etc, as well as internal conditions. These can include: Have you released a lot of new features in the last year th ...Read More

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  15. What are good ways to get buy-in from your sales team on a proposed new pricing model? Alternatively, how does feedback from your sales reps on the pricing model impact your future pricing / packaging changes?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    I've always found that the sales team is a huge partner for you on pricing and packaging. Both in terms of knowledge (competitor prices, what the market will bear, direct feedback from deals etc) as well as being good supporters as you start to roll out pricing changes. A few things I've found that have helped build buy-in are: Always build a small group of reps you can come to to test out pricing. Either you have a set tiger team of nominees from sales leadership or you build a group yourself m ...Read More

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  16. What advice would you offer a PMM who would love to get started on learning about and owning pricing at an early-stage company?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    Definitely check out some of the research resources I've mentioned in previous answers. I would also interview people at your company, salespeople, your CEO, finance, etc and also see if you can get any time with board members to get their viewpoints. And then there are also a few companies like the PMA and others that offer pricing specific training. Those are great places to start! 

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  17. How do I decide whether to publish pricing on my company's website?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    This is a tough question as it causes a lot of fear especially for salespeople who think it will limit their ability to maintain their current average selling prices but in fact studies have shown that buyers want to see pricing and that vendors who pit pricing on their website actually engender more trust than those who don't. You might even pop to the top of a prospect's shortlist if they can get pricing on your website as having them there might give you opportunities to show them other thing ...Read More

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  18. Do you have any frameworks for discerning pricing and packaging of single vs bundled solutions? What about consideration around early adoption pricing, seasonal discount, and/or trial to purchase conversion incentives?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    I've usually taken the approach that a product bundle should have at least a slight discount as an incentive to purchase the bundle. Many times people want most but not all of the products in the bundle so it is usually nice to give them some small discount, like 5% or 10% off the unbundled price. Bundles are usually stickier too so in the long run you make up for the discount. You can also take the approach of the more products you buy the bigger the discount. I once worked at a company that ha ...Read More

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  19. My VP Sales thinks that increasing pricing is not possible and any increase will lessen her ability to hit her number. How should we think about changing pricing?

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    I would approach this similarly to how I approach any re-pricing exercise. It is a best practice to evaluate your prices at least once a year for most products. Your VP of Sales should understand that things change. If you can prove some of those changes, either internal or external, then you'll have a stronger case. External conditions are things like inflation, global/local economic changes, new competitive entrants, market consolidation or fragmentation, etc, and would affect all of your comp ...Read More

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  20. What are some resources you refer to when thinking about pricing & packaging? It's a new area for me and I'm not sure how to get started.

    Jackie Palmer
    Jackie Palmer

    ActiveCampaign VP Product Marketing | Formerly Pendo, Demandbase, Conga, SAP • 3y

    There are lots of resources to leverage when thinking about pricing and packaging. Here are some that I've found most useful: Competitor websites (hopefully you'll be lucky and they'll publish their pricing!). Know that whatever you find here is likely to be higher than actual selling price as it is not usually inclusive of discounts or promotions Review websites like G2 and TrustRadius. Often people will comment on the price they pay or paid Marketplaces like the Salesforce AppExchange, HubSpot ...Read More

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