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Derek Frome

Derek Frome

Vice President Marketing, Ouster

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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingSeptember 5
To me, a solution is a prescriptive collection of products and features that solve a well-defined problem for your customer. A product is anything you could conceivably sell on its own, but a product can also be a collection of other products. A feature is a component piece of a product that adds to its value but cannot be sold on its own. Products, features, and solutions tend to get different levels of attention from PMMs. Products will naturally get the most, solutions are really just collections of products and are therefore more an exercise in packaging and pricing. Features get attention insofar as they need to be launched, marketed, and incorporated into the story for the products and solutions they serve. Resource your PMM attention accordingly. 
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingSeptember 5
Painted door tests are your friend here (google it). You could create two or three landing pages with different message variants, each of which leads to a "request access" form. Depending on what your campaign is for, your message testing could be as simple as running it by product managers or account managers. Or you could grab a few web visitors through a Qualaroo survey and interview them. You could grab people and buy them a coffee at a conference. Basically, there's no big trick to this - you just have to do it. If you're getting feedback on your messaging from your target audience or someone who can reliably act as a proxy for your target audience, you're probably doing it right. 
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingSeptember 5
I'll take a more extreme position on this question. You're setting yourself up for failure by asking us how to "defend" your messaging. Instead, I'd ask you to listen to those people who you are used to "defending" your messaging from. It's not your messaging - give up that pride of ownership in order to listen and learn from sales, product, and your executives if they choose to care about your exact phrasing. That doesn't mean that they get to write the exact words - but all of those constituencies have an important point of view, and it's your job to triangulate among them, decide where to give weight, and come up with messaging that is clear and compelling. When you think you totally have that message nailed, you're not finished. You're at step 1. Next, you need to test that messaging with real, live customers. Don't look just for confirmation of your message - lean into those people you interview who find your amazing messaging confusing or bland. Figure out how to make it right. This is an involved process, but it's amazingly powerful. Then, by the way, when someone comes and says "hey that message isn't that great, how about XYZ" you can say "well, we crafted this message with your input and the input of other leaders, then we shared it with customers and made ABC changes based on their feedback, and this is where we landed." 
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingSeptember 5
I'm going to take a somewhat contrarian view on this and say that in order to really break through in a crowded market, it takes more than clever messaging (though that never hurts). You have to position your product correctly and you have to prove that you are better. Now would be the time to invest in a really solid customer marketing program to tell their stories of success with your product. All the better if they moved to your product from a competitor. Include that question in every win interview you do, and produce "grey label" case studies for your sales team. Those look like "A major auto manufacturer used to use [competitor] but they switched to us and here's what they have experienced - higher sales, lower costs, lower risk, etc." 
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingJuly 18
Twilio, splunk, nginx, newrelic are good examples.
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingJuly 18
For sales messaging, I haven’t encountered anything better than “Command of the Message” which you can google.
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingJuly 18
+1 to that James and I'd add that targeting a specific type of business user can work if that business user has outsized influence relative to their title, e.g. software developers. Freemium model is super important: Twilio, PagerDuty, AWS, NewRelic. depends on what the project kickoff looks like. If the project is "here, we got you this tool, now go solve the problem" you're screwed. If it's "Here, go solve this problem" then the model works still, though you're going to have to still go through the motions of an enterprise sale, like security and compliance and possibly procurement.
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingSeptember 5
Mike's answer is spot on. Since you've been laid off 5 times in 10 years though, I'll add one other thought. It's possible that you're focusing on outputs, not outcomes. PMM done right is much more focused on outcomes - well defined, measurable (as much as possible). It's the PMM lead's job to secure buy-in from execs, product leadership, and sales leadership on those outcomes. Then it's your job to hit them. It's easy to churn out 2 white papers per quarter and think you're doing something. It's a lot harder to sign up for a web conversion metric or something similarly relevant for your business. 
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingJuly 18
Depends how market-facing your PMs are. If they're obsessed with serving customers and creating products and features that will generate new business, probably don't need to be very involved. If they're focused on internal things though and are more interested in how engineering will implement something vs. why - that's where PMM needs to be very involved
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Derek Frome
Derek Frome
Ouster Vice President MarketingSeptember 5
In my opinion, this is the wrong question to be asking. A much better objective would be to aim for a promotion, not a pay raise. Of course, promotions carry pay raises, but the point is that a promotion is more easily understood and communicated. It's easier to ask your boss "what do you think I need to demonstrate to earn a promotion to [title]" than to ask your boss "what do I need to do to get a 15k raise". The above answer assumes that you are being paid roughly market rates. If you are junior and inexperienced, don't expect to pull the median salary. By definition, half of people make less than that number, and you're rightly in that group. However, if you have some experience and can show a solid track record of delivering for the company, by all means have a conversation about salary adjustment to bring you to median or some amount over that seems right. That's a dispassionate conversation similar to readjusting a product's revenue forecast given the past 6 months of sales. Be direct and ask for what you want. Don't play games by going and getting a counter-offer. 
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Vice President Marketing at Ouster.io
Product Marketing AMA Contributor
Lives In San Francisco, California
Knows About Building a Product Marketing Team, Messaging, Platform and Solutions Product Marketin...more