My current product team has about 40 PMs (And we are hiring!). I would not dive into what each of the team does, but maybe talk about how we went about structuring it, which may be a more transferable skill. When I first joined Meta my VP asked me if the current team structure is the right one. Naturally, I did not know the answer. Frankly, I don’t think it was the right question for me to answer at the time. Instead, I engaged with the team on setting a 3 year plan - Write down what our strategy is, at a high level, and what are the key milestones that such a strategy would hit, if successful. This happened both at the org level and for the individual teams in the org. As the team presented the strategy to the stakeholders we started seeing some gaps in our org structure and the team leads started to raise a desire to organize differently. We recently re-organized the team accordingly. Setting a direction was a critical prerequisite before talking about team alignment. As for measuring success, it goes a bit to the first question I answered - I expect each team to define their own strategy, then set the milestones of that strategy. Our discussion can then be focused on the three elements I highlighted: * Strategy: Was the team able to set a good strategy? * Execution: Is the team hitting the milestone? If not, is it because the execution is not tight, or because the milestones are not achievable and we should pivot? This is a very important distinctions that some people are missing - A team can be executing really well and proving that the strategy is the wrong strategy. Being able to prove that point and move on without wasting years of struggles is a big win! * Org health: Are we hiring well? Growing talent? Retaining talent? How is the cross functional relationships going?

Customer feedback is critical to how we build, and we incorporate it at every step of the product development process. We get customer feedback from a variety of places. When building new products we proactively reach out to customers to learn about their needs and make sure we’re creating the right solutions for them. We have a User Research team that regularly speaks to customers via a variety of methods - everything from interviews and surveys to card sorting and field studies. Along our product development process, we have specific touchpoints where we make sure to utilize user research to get deep insight into the pain points our customers face, and the best solutions to help them. Our customer-facing teams, like sales and customer success, are also talking to customers constantly as part of their daily jobs. These teams rigorously record all of the feedback they hear and compile it into a ranked Voice of the Customer (VOC) list, all managed within Asana. Asana’s VOC program is a critical input into our roadmap process, and helps us prioritize the most pressing needs brought up by customers.

As you progress from PM to senior PM, competencies in these 3 areas should grow: Autonomy💪🏽, Scope 🌫️ and Leadership 🙋 . There are a few clear indications that someone is ready for the senior level, like increased scope, being a reliable partner and being results driven. Here are some less obvious ones: #1 You recommend initiatives based on your strategic evaluation, instead of waiting for them to be handed to you. You are influential in your field and feel confident putting forward these initiatives. #2 You leverage relationships across the org. You can drive results from partners outside of your immediate team. You are fully entrusted to tackle complex, multi-team problems with little necessary supervision. #3 You are seen as an available and trustworthy mentor and actively seek out opportunities to help others be their best. This is my favorite by far. What are the key stages that distinguish the different levels of PMs? I think a little bit of this depends on the problem space and company. In my mind, PMs are professional collaborators, strategic assassins and bring out the best in their peers. If you can look yourself in the mirror and say you’re doing these things at scale, well, I’d say you're on the right track.

First of all, we need to address Amazon's terminology for these roles. A technical product manager at Amazon is generally referred to as a Product-Manager-Technical (PM-T). Whereas a Technical Program Manager (TPM) is a distinct role that sits at the intersection of product, engineering and program management. An Amazon TPM is a unique role that combines business ownership over delivery with high-level technical architecture. They are usually the program glue - that brings together PMTs, engineering teams and business stakeholders on all aspects of an initiative. However, note that this AMA is focused on the technical product-manager role or PM-T. So please make that translation whenever you see "TPM" in these questions.

I’ll skip the obvious things - pay well, set a vision, growing company, skill building, career pathing - and highlight some under-rated ones: * Hire well and have high talent density. Most people who choose a career in Product Management are motivated by self improvement - being around other talented PMs who they admire and who push their thinking is motivating. * Stay lean. This may seem counterintuitive - isn’t it good to have enough PMs? Honestly, no. If you hire well you want to give people room to grow and stretch. The worst thing you can do is to staff up too quickly, only to have frustrate your stars who are ready for more in a year (or worse yet, sudden shift in the business which requires you to scale back projects). Having too many PMs will also lead to more work being generated, you then need to resource. It’s far better to have PMs that have 20% too much to do than 20% too little. My rule of thumb is: everyone should be just uncomfortable enough with their scope that they drop a few things, but not so uncomfortable that they burn out. * Autonomy. People choose a career in product management because they want to make or be at the center of product decisions. Allowing them to do so is one of the most important things you can do to keep them motivated. As a people leader your jobs is to set goals, give context, guide, and identify blindspots. It’s not to operate the product for the PMs on your team. At Netflix we have a value, “Context over control” - leaders should focus first & foremost on setting context so others can make decisions vs. making decisions for them. * Actually care about them. When I think about the best managers I’ve had they have one intangible thing in common - I felt on a deep level that they actually, genuinely cared about me. This had a ripple effect on every part of my job because I felt supported, was calmer, and did better work. Caring looks like regularly thinking about the growth & success of another person without being asked to. It looks like advocating for or elevating behind the scenes, especially if they are in a disadvantaged position. It’s something that you can’t fake.

A super common question! Traditionally the term "product manager" can often mean different things depending on the size of the company, the product's stage, and sometimes the overall market segment. I often times bucket them into these core groups: 1. Technical Product Managers (TPM): These PMs work closely with engineering teams on more technical products, thinks like API driven products where the end "customer" is technical in nature. For these roles, you will need a deeper level of technical expertise and the ability to understand the technical aspects of your customers needs. 2. B2C (Business to Consumer) Product Managers: In a consumer-facing environment—like mobile apps, e-commerce platforms, media consumption products — I find that PMs often emphasize UX and product design (along with core PM responsibilities). One of the key areas that this group focuses on is leveraging a typically broader/larger customer base to do things like A/B testing, and quick iteration on product designs to validate assumptions and feature value. 3. B2B (Business to Business) Enterprise Product Managers: These enterprise PMs focus on delivering products that solve businesses' complex problems. I spent a lot of my career here and this type of PM spends a lot of time on sales enablement, strategic account engagement, and roadmap management. Given that most B2B solutions have a longer sales cycle, their relationship with sales is key to success. Depending on the size of the organization, this type of PM also focuses a lot on the financial side of the product. 4. Infrastructure Product Managers: These PMs (sometimes internally facing only) focus on building components that other teams and products rely on, oftentimes within an organization. For them, the GTM isn't as relevant but they need to understand and balance things like scale, interoperability, and business alignment. Figuring Out Your Best Fit: 1. What are your Interests: Consider things like Do you enjoy getting into the weeds on technical discussions? Do you more get energized by user research and design? Do you geek out over analytical data and love looking at usage metrics to drive feature development? Each type of role has a different focus, so find the things that excite you. 2. Consider the Environment Do you want to reach a huge market of customers and iterate on minor feature developments and enhancements? Or do you want to work closely with larger business customers and develop a deeper understanding of their problems and how your product can evolve to meet those specific needs? No right or wrong answer, just what gets you pumped up each day. Remember, it’s about aligning your career desires, your core strengths, and the types of challenges that get you fired up to solve each day. We are problem solvers, so what types of problems do you love solving and how do you like solving them? Many PMs start in one area and end up in another. All the roles share a common framework of ensuring we are delivering business value for our organization and delighting our customers with innovative and useful solutions to problems they either have or don't even realize they have yet.

A few things: * A very deep understanding of the problems they are looking to solve. This gets reflected in how they speak about past experiences (why did you choose to work on a specific problem, what exactly was the need?) as well as any case study (are they asking intelligent questions to understand the need). * User-first approach: While solving the problem they identified, are they putting the user at the forefront? Are they clear about who the users are for the problem? * Clear communication * For more experienced positions and specific for B2B products, are they mature to understand roll-out considerations for a large group of stakeholders? What are the people and processes needed to make a roll-out successful?

Let’s say that a product team and an executive team are aligned on the goal of improving customer satisfaction with the product (measured by a CSAT survey). The product team will then do research and perform experiments to validate the best way to impact customer satisfaction. Including executives in the research process via stakeholder interviews is a great way to get input early - executives are viewing things from a much different perspective than team ICs and often have great ideas. When the team prioritizes opportunities to pursue, the framework they use for prioritization can also be used to convey their point of view on the best way to impact customer satisfaction. If an exec suggests making an adjustment to the roadmap during the team’s roadmap review, seek to understand why and dig into their thought process. Then, seek the truth. Is there a quick way to validate or invalidate the feedback? What does the objective evidence point towards as the best opportunity to impact the goals? For more on this topic, I recommend “Cracking the PM Career” by Jackie Bavaro which has a chapter on working with executives.

Let's cover this in two ways: (1) how to think about KPIs, (2) examples of poor ones and how they can be better. I'll also approach the question a little more broadly than Product Managers alone. Remember that Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) are used at all levels of a company (e.g. project, team, group, division, exec team) with different levels of fidelity and lag (e.g. daily active user vs. quarterly revenue). The appropriateness of standard KPIs will also differ by industry (e.g. commerce software will not rely on daily active users the way social networks do). Finally, many people use the term KPI when they actually just mean metrics (whether input, output, health, or otherwise). As the name suggests, only the metrics that are key to success should be elevated to KPIs, and there should be as few of them as possible. When I see more than 1 from a team, 3 from a group, or 5 from a division/exec team, there are good odds that some can be cut, amalgamated, or otherwise improved. KPIs are, after all, meant to drive decision making and accountability. So what are the criteria of KPIs that stand to be improved, and examples of them? 1. Vanity metrics: these look impressive but doesn't actually measure the success of a product. Examples include the amount of traffic to a website, the number of sign-ups a product has, daily active users for marketplaces that monetize through purchases, or the number of likes across posts on a social network. 2. Poorly instrumented metrics: these are not reliably measured, which can lead to incorrect or misleading conclusions about the effectiveness of a product. For example, if the first step of a conversion funnel (e.g. checkout) has many ingress pathways, and the user can transition in and out of that step before proceeding down funnel, how well your instrumentation deduplicates that first step is critical to your conversion calculations. 3. Lack of attribution to effort: any metric who's fluctuations cannot be explained by the combination of efforts from the team/group using it as a KPI, plus seasonal and random variability, is going to be ineffective. For example, if a common funnel in the company has multiple teams trying to improve its conversion, each team needs to define a KPI that does not overlap the others or they won't know if their efforts resulted in an outcome versus another team's efforts. Note that if all those teams are in the same group (e.g. a growth org), then that group could effectively use the conversion rate as their KPI. When in doubt, or if you're unable to isolate your efforts with lower level metrics, run an A/B test against every major change by each team to get a better (but imperfect) indication of relative contribution. This criteria covers many grey areas as well. Revenue is a prototypically difficult KPI for individual teams to use because of attribution. However, you can find relatively small teams or groups that build add-on products that are directly monetized and expansion revenue can be an excellent KPI for them (e.g. a payroll add-on to an accounting system). 4. Unclear tie to next level's KPI: companies are concentric circles of strategy, with each division, group, and team needing to fit its plans and focus into that of the prior. This includes KPIs, where you'd expect a well modeled connection between lower level KPIs driving higher level ones. For example, say a SaaS invoicing platforms sets an X in Y goal as an activiation hurdle to predict long term retained users (i.e. 2 invoices sent in first 30 days). It would be reasonable to assume that onboarding will heavily influence this. But what about onboarding, specifically, will matter? If a team concots a metric around how many settings are altered in the first 7 days (e.g. chose a template, added a logo, set automatic payment reminders) and wants to use that as their KPI, they'd need to have analyzed and modeled whether that matters at all to new users sending their first 2 invoices. 5. Lagging metrics at low levels: the closer you get down to a team level, the more you want to see KPIs defined by metrics that are leading indicators of success and can be measured without long time delays. Bad KPIs are ones that just can't be measured fast enough for a team to learn and take action. For example, many teams will work to increase retention in a company. But larger customers in SaaS may be on annual contracts. If features are being built to influence retention, it's better to find leading activity and usage metrics at the team level to drive behaviour and measure them weekly or monthly. These can tie into a higher level retention KPI for a group or division, and keep teams from getting nasty delayed surprises if their efforts weren't destined to be fruitful. The only caveat for this criteria is how platform and infrastructure teams measure themselves. Their KPIs are typically more lagging and this topic is deserving of its own write-up. 6. Compound or aggregate metrics: these are made up of multiple individual metrics that are combined using a formula in order to provide a more comprehensive view of the success of a product without needing to analyze many individual numbers. Examples include effectiveness scores, likelihood indicators, and satisfaction measures. Arguably, many high level KPIs behave this way, such as revenue and active users, which is why (3) above is important to keep in mind. However, its formulas that are particularly worrisome. They inject bias through how they're defined, which is hard for stakeholders to remember over time. You find yourself looking at a score that's gone down 5% QoQ and asking a series of questions to understand why. Then you realize it would have been simpler to look at individual metrics to begin with. In my experience, these KPIs lead to more harm than good. 7. Lacking health metrics or tripwires: having a KPI is important, but having it in isolation is dangerous. It's rare for lower level metrics to be improved without the possibility of doing harm elsewhere. For example, in commerce, we can make UX changes that increase the likelihood of conversion but decrease average order value or propensity for repeat purchases. Therefore, a KPI that does not consider tripwires or does not get paired with health metrics is waving a caution flag.

Great question! The move from Senior PM to Director level and above is a challenging one. In general, the change really involves the transition from product management to product leadership. You are typically going from managing one team at a high level with one roadmap and no direct reports to a role managing multiple teams at a high level with multiple roadmaps and direct reports AND driving an effective vision & strategy for your portfolio that brings those elements together AND provide tools and conditions for the whole org to get better at being PMs. Whew! Given the changes in responsibilities, you’re likely going to have to evolve into performing at the Director level so you can set your” opportunity table” for a Director opportunity. Given where the Senior PM level usually sits, here are probably the kinds of skills and experiences you’ll need to try to acquire: 1. Learn how to manage and mentor people. Does your company hire interns? Manage one or more of them! Does your company hire new people that need mentors? Become a mentor! Manage people volunteering somewhere! There’s lots of ways to get skills and experience here, great books too (Leaders Eat Last by Simon Sinek I highly recommend.) But in general the best teacher for managing people is experience. 2. Learn how to build product strategies at the portfolio level. If you’ve gotten to the Senior PM level, you probably know how to develop a strategy for your product or feature. But doing this as a portfolio level is different. It requires thinking longer term about multiple teams with multiple strategies & roadmaps. The best way to learn this skill is to take on the responsibility of doing this or sharing it with your boss or higher-ups. This is a stretch to do in the beginning, but the more you do it the better you get at it. Some good practice is also crafting strategies for products you like or companies you admire. See how many of them come true and how right or wrong you were. Learn, rinse and repeat. I also recommend Good Strategy, Bad Strategy by Richard Rummelt. Amazing book on this topic. 3. Help your fellow PMs in the org level up via skills like org design, policy design, tooling upgrades, etc. Basically practice the art of leveling up a team by creating an environment for PMs to level up and do great work. Think about your own experience doing your best work. What kinds of tools, policies and cultural norms were in place that really helped you level up? Now think of ways you can get from where you are today to that ideal. What tools do you need? What policies need to change? How does the culture need to change? From here, learn how to drive the highest priority items. You don’t need to be a Director for this, you can pursue it by speaking up in feedback forums on these topics, work with your peers or managers to make things happen, etc. If someone was taking initiative here, you can bet managers will be considering them for leadership spots. That’s the high level summary! The opportunity actually presenting itself requires being at a company where there is a need for someone at that level, which requires a bit of luck and timing. So all places aren’t going to be best fits for you, and you should assess that on your own as well. As for types of tracks, PM leadership skills are pretty transferrable. Director, Senior Director and VP are more traditional paths. But I’ve seen old bosses and colleagues go lots of different ways. Something I hear a lot is that the PM role prepares you for being a start-up CEO. Have certainly seen that happen! An old boss is CEO now. But I’ve also seen lots of people end up in Marketing, Design, Engineering, Strategy…there’s no one set path!