Sharebird

Deep dive • Updated 05/02/2026

How Do You Prove PMM’s Value When You Don’t Own the Number?

Featuring contributors from

  • Anthropic Anthropic
  • Verkada Verkada
  • Iterable Iterable
  • Twilio Twilio
  • MyFitnessPal MyFitnessPal
  • ServiceNow ServiceNow

What you’ll learn:

  • • How to choose PMM metrics based on the outcome you’re trying to influence: pipeline, revenue, adoption, retention, win rate, sales effectiveness, or market expansion
  • • How to connect PMM-owned work to leading indicators, lagging outcomes, and qualitative proof
  • • How to socialize PMM impact before, during, and after the work so leaders see the value clearly
Consensus 🤝
  • Start with the business goal: Tie PMM measurement to outcomes executives already care about, like pipeline, revenue, win rate, adoption, retention, or market expansion.

  • Show the chain of evidence: Connect PMM-owned work to leading indicators, lagging outcomes, and qualitative proof instead of relying on activity metrics alone.

  • Socialize metrics early and often: Align on KPIs before the work starts, track progress during execution, and use retros, dashboards, customer insight, and sales feedback to show impact after.

Debate 🌶
  • Own the number vs. influence the number: In GM-style PMM orgs, PMM shares accountability for pipeline, revenue, adoption, or win rate. In other orgs, PMM is measured by the work it controls and the outcomes it can credibly influence.

  • Outcomes vs. operating signals: Revenue, win rate, adoption, and retention matter most to executives, but they move slowly. Launch engagement, persona usage, messaging pull-through, and enablement completion help only when they predict customer or sales behavior.

  • Attribution vs. evidence: Precise revenue attribution is appealing, but often unrealistic. The stronger path is a credible pattern across metrics, win/loss, sales feedback, customer insight, message testing, and stakeholder confidence.

It Depends 🤔
  • Role scope: Product, segment, and pod PMMs can be tied to north-star metrics; platform or shared-service PMMs need a portfolio of influence metrics.

  • GTM motion: PLG teams should emphasize activation, usage, retention, and time to value; sales-led teams should emphasize pipeline, win rate, sales readiness, and deal progression.

  • Measurement maturity: Early-stage teams should revisit PMM metrics often; mature teams should standardize scorecards, dashboards, KPI socialization, and quarterly retros.

What are good product marketing OKRs?

I would like to know what metrics are used to measure PMM and what does good look like

Sarah Khogyani Wolf
Sarah Khogyani Wolf

Anthropic Startup Marketing Lead | Formerly Lyft, Atlassian • 5y

Product Marketing OKRs are really important to keeping teams focused on driving the most impact for the company. At a Product Marketing OKR level, it often depends on what the company goals are for that particular time period. If the company is going after a new market or focusing on customer retention, that's going to influence what a PMM's KR will be. Second, I think it's importnt to set a KR that you have direct influence or impact on. Sometimes, PMMs at Lyft share KRs with PMs, but ideally, ...Read More

6,954 Views
Other takes (3)
Pallavi Vanacharla
Pallavi Vanacharla

JFrog SVP Product Marketing | Formerly Twilio, Cisco, Intuit • 5y

The short answer is 'it depends'.....let me explain...  A product marketer, in my opinion, is like the CEO of a product. And just like a CEO, has to do whatever it takes to make the company (in this case product) successful. Hence, she/he should be measured on what is relevant for that specific year.  PMM OKRs depend on your answer to questions such as - what is the stage of the product lifecycle? Do you own all of product marketing or a specific PMM function? What are the business goals and obj ...Read More

6,955 Views
Ryan Goldman
Ryan Goldman

Apella Vice President of Marketing | Formerly Cisco, Cloudera, SignalFx, Sentry, Pendo, Moloco • 5y

Tricky question! To be honest, OKRs (Objectives & Key Results) are HIGHLY context- and business-specific, so there isn't such thing as "good OKRs for Product Marketing" in the abstract. You should be aligning PMM OKRs to the OKRs at the company level. And keep in mind that they are all about business transformation, not keeping the lights on. So they will involve stretch goals and should intersect and overlap with the OKRs of other teams across the org, not be strictly unique. On the other h ...Read More

17,645 Views
Kevin Wu
Kevin Wu

Airtable Former Sr Director Product Marketing | Formerly Salesforce, AppDynamics, WeWork, Airtable • 4y

Good Product Marketing OKRs really depend on the business and what the company is trying to achieve. For example, if there's no unified launch process, you may set an objective to develop a launch program. Or another example: you're starting to lose deals to a specific competitor. You may kick off a competitive program to mitigate losses on competitive deals. It really depends on the business. For product launches: Did I reach my intended audience for this launch? How many people engaged with ou ...Read More

25,507 Views

How do you create ownership or accountability over goals for PMM when there's often overlap with goals from Product, Sales, or other Marketing teams?

Priyanka Srinivasan
Priyanka Srinivasan

Verkada Vice President Product Marketing • 6mo

Accountability for revenue is shared across multiple teams, with each playing a crucial role in the customer journey. When looking at any individual product we have, like our intercom product for example, there are multiple people who own the revenue number, and everyone has a piece in it. Product marketing might run a campaign that generates a lead, but then we pass the ball to sales who may or may not close it - or they might sell much more than we anticipated. It's very difficult to do precis ...Read More

544 Views
Other takes (2)
Lizzie Yarbrough de Cantor

Hightouch Head of Product Marketing • 6mo

Product marketers are professional cat herders who drive impact by motivating cross-functional teams toward shared goals, even without direct reporting relationships. As a PMM, you're constantly the leader of the group project when no one else volunteers. You're a professional cat herder. When thinking about accountability and ownership, PMMs can feel good about their impact by motivating people who don't report to them to work on strategic projects. There's nothing harder than managing people w ...Read More

311 Views
Bruce Randall
Bruce Randall

Former Head of Product Marketing at ServiceNow and Atlassian | Formerly ServiceNow, Atlassian, SAP, HP • 6mo

Create accountability by breaking down larger North Star metrics into specific activities that product marketers own and can be measured against. When we share bigger North Star metrics with other teams, activities become the way we measure performance and provide accountability. For example, if we need to deliver $100 million in pipeline, we might plan to generate $20 million through webinars. This breaks down to a specific number of webinars with target conversion rates and success metrics. I ...Read More

313 Views

How do you measure the impact of product marketing in your company?

The demand gen teams can optimize pipeline, MQLs and costs per lead. The sales people work to meet their quotas. Marketing support completes tickets within a time window. What objective measures do we PMMs have?

Priya Gill
Priya Gill

Iterable Chief Marketing Officer • 4y

There are 3 that I primarily look at that PMM influences (not directly drives): Pipeline / Bookings (Demand gen / monetization efforts) Win rates (Sales enablement and content) Product adoption (Growth efforts) There are metrics that we can directly tie to PMM but that I find to be less meaningful, like engagement rates on content that we've created or product launch metrics which are more a moment in time.  I think that it's totally fine that we don't directly drive the major metrics I mention ...Read More

4,129 Views
Other takes (3)
Catlyn Origitano
Catlyn Origitano

Fivetran VP Product & Portfolio Marketing • 4y

Most of our PMMs are in Pods - where a PM and PMM focus on a certain area of the business. Each pod shares a North Star Metric - most of which are revenue based and come down from our overall business goals. While of course we aren't 100% responsible for that goal - that is, sales has to sell it! - it helps us stay focused and measure our impact. For folks that don't have a specific revenue goal, primarily because it might be hard to measure or change quarter to quarter, we still have North Star ...Read More

648 Views
Chad Kimner
Chad Kimner

Visiting Media SVP Growth and Operations | Formerly Mozilla, LeapFrog • 4y

This partly depends on the role that PMM is expected to play, and we know that this can differ pretty dramatically from company to company, even within the same space. At Meta, we have a clear mandate - probably the clearest I've ever seen - to truly lead as GTM "captains". Leadership relies on us to lead the business, defining goals and strategies, driving cross-functional execution and shouldering accountability for all GTM execution. In an environment like this, the business goals are our goa ...Read More

2,623 Views
Osman Javed
Osman Javed

Norm Ai Head of Marketing | Formerly Galileo, Cresta, Tanium, Zuora • 1y

Great question! Measurement for PMM has been a long debated topic and vary greatly company to company, but here's a framework for thinking through it. Key Considerations: PMM should align itself to company objectives. If a company is focused on driving renewals, PMM should be focused on driving renewals. PMM shares ownership of metrics with other teams. For example: Product and PMM share adoption and launch metrics Sales and PMM share revenue and sales efficiency metrics Marketing and PMM share ...Read More

19,653 Views

How do you measure the contribution of Product Marketing to the growth result?

Oftentimes, PMM does not directly execute the campaign but rather provides a foundation or collaterals for sales and marketing to use. How do we calculate our percentage of contribution to the final results?

Vanessa Thompson
Vanessa Thompson

Twilio Vice President Marketing • 5y

I encourage my team to be the ‘mini CMO’ for the products they cover. That means the single biggest metric to measure is pipeline (with a focus on pipeline generation). Depending on the specific in-quarter activities we have going on around sales enablement, we can see a dedicated focus on sales enablement and education show up in our sales-sourced pipeline in the trailing quarter. My advice here is to track a few things:Attributed pipeline = how are all your content activities showing up in you ...Read More

3,312 Views
Other takes (3)
Madeline Ng
Madeline Ng

Google Global Head of Growth Go-to-market, Google Maps Platform • 4y

In well run marketing teams, the metrics for the business are assessed holistically instead of piecemeal among each marketing function.  The contribution of Product Marketing to a growth result is setting up the strategic positioning, messaging, and core assets that can be used by your demand generation teams. The contribution of demand generation teams is taking that understanding of the audience, problem, and markets and selecting channels that best reach and resonate with those audiences and ...Read More

4,337 Views
Angus Maclaurin
Angus Maclaurin

BILL Senior Lead Product Manager • 4y

Product Marketing plays a critical role in launching products, but it is harder to measure. This question can come up frequently in performance reviews and setting OKRs for the coming year. Product Marketing owns several key areas of product launch - from defining customer needs and key features to launch strategy and target channels. Multiple goals may be binary - Did you do customer research? Did you create a launch plan? The challenge comes when you want to tie these activities to specific re ...Read More

19,440 Views
Charlene Wang
Charlene Wang

fmr Qualia, Coupa | Formerly Worldpay, Coupa Software, EMC/VMware, McKinsey • 3y

Product Marketing and Growth perform different roles in a marketing team and need to be measured in different ways. Whereas Growth is often easier to quantify, concrete measurements that can be attributed to Product Marketing only become clearer as you get further down the funnel, once deals have been created and the effectiveness of positioning is easier to see on a case-by-case basis. However, Product Marketing does meaningfully contribute to every stage of the GTM journey.   At a high level, ...Read More

2,877 Views

How do you measure the success of a product launch, and what key performance indicators (KPIs) do you track?

How do you roll reporting this up to the leadership team?

Katie Levinson
Katie Levinson

MyFitnessPal VP Product Marketing | Formerly LinkedIn, Credit Karma, Handshake • 1y

Building on defining a successful product launch, measurement is a key factor in figuring out whether the launch is successful and what potential pivots you may need to make. The success of a product launch is typically measured by how well it meets business objectives, customer needs, and market expectations. As an example, for a new mobile app launch, KPIs could include daily active users (DAU), app downloads, retention rate at 7, 30, and 90 days, and user ratings in app stores.  KPIs vary dep ...Read More

758 Views
Other takes (2)
Lindsey Weinig
Lindsey Weinig

Twilio Director of Product Marketing • 2y

Best case, I partner with the product team to define the core KPI(s) for a product launch. Often product adoption is the goal of the launch, but sometimes a product is launched with other intentions like decreasing churn or increasing revenue through other product/feature adoption. Depending on the nature of the product, KPIs may include new signups for free trials, paid upgrades, add-on purchases/total value, NPS, or active users of the new product that was launched. I also like to measure KPIs ...Read More

4,246 Views
Stuart Pitts
Stuart Pitts

Meta Senior Product Marketing Leader, VR/MR/AR Portfolio | Formerly Microsot • 2y

One of the things we can do as product marketers to elevate the role we contribute to the organization is to orchestrate goaling across all dimensions of a product or program launch. For example - instead of thinking only about the unique KPIs that you may be driving as a PMM, what is the total set of outcomes and KPIs that must be monitored to determine the success of a launch (for example)? Are these outcomes and KPIs connected? Are the right directly responsible individuals defined and coordi ...Read More

417 Views

How do you measure the success of your messaging?

Eric Bensley
Eric Bensley

ServiceNow VP, Product Marketing - CRM • 2y

There's no perfect way to do this. People hate when I say this but when it comes to messaging, I'm much more into qualitative feedback vs. quantitative. If you similarly hate me, feel free to move on. If not, here are a few qualitative measures I use: Can your sales team remember it and pitch it on calls? If you use call recording software with your team, take a listen. If your sales team is pitching it, it's working. If not, it's not. Do a webinar or event and ask for feedback after. Incentiviz ...Read More

4,597 Views
Other takes (4)
Vidya Drego
Vidya Drego

SmithRx VP of Marketing | Formerly HubSpot, LinkedIn, Salesforce • 4y

It's pretty difficult to get a straightforward read on the effectiveness of your messaging and positioning but there are a few things you can do to ensure your messaging is more likely to succeed. 1) During the process of creating the messaging, work with your market research team to test aspects of the messaging with prospects and customers. This can be both quantitative test of words or descriptors you use as well as qualitative tests where you actually test aspects of a pitch with customer. 2 ...Read More

27,146 Views
Liza Sperling
Liza Sperling

Monte Carlo Vice President Product Marketing • 5y

Conversion rates across the funnel - Did the messaging drive the desired actions at each customer touchpoint from initial engagement to sign up/trial/purchase Landing pages, emails, posts, and ad performance - How did individual assets and channels perform relative to benchmarks?  Sales asset usage and engagement - Which assets, talking points, and messaging were used, and how did prospects and customers engage? Highspot will show you which sales assets are being used the most and which are driv ...Read More

3,290 Views
Mike Greenberg
Mike Greenberg

SurveyMonkey Director of Product Marketing | Formerly Apple • 3y

This is probably one of the toughest problems we face as marketers. A lot of times, teams will look at a combination of leading quantitative indicators (clicks, conversions, time spent, etc.) and qualitative signals (from buyer interviews, listening to sales calls, etc.), to take a best guess at what’s working and what’s not. There are lots of problems with this. It’s tough to isolate messaging as the primary driver of these results, and assign quantifiable measures that will clearly indicate im ...Read More

7,224 Views
Jeffrey Vocell
Jeffrey Vocell

BFC Software Head of Product Marketing | Formerly Narvar, Iterable, HubSpot, IBM • 6y

Measuring the success of messaging overall generally ties back to product launch goals — whether that’s a sales or revenue number, or more user/signup focused. That being said, if you’re working on positioning and messaging outside of a launch then I’d look at metrics like length of sales cycle, demo to close rate, % of deals closed-won vs, closed lost (and against specific competitors if that’s important to your product line/business), and raw volume of sales and MRR/ARR. You can switch some of ...Read More

1,761 Views

How do you measure product marketing contributions to sales success?

Emi Hofmeister
Emi Hofmeister

Zuora VP Product Marketing • 1y

We measure product marketing's impact on sales success through pipeline contribution, win rate improvements, and analyzing sales call effectiveness. First and foremost, we focus on pipeline - are we contributing in ways that drive meaningful pipeline for our reps and the business? We're specifically responsible for optimizing website elements like demos and interactive content that drive people to request more information. We measure our impact by testing and iterating on messaging and interacti ...Read More

618 Views
Other takes (3)
Emily Holman
Emily Holman

Anthropic Product Marketing • 1y

One of the challenges of being a product marketer is that oftentimes we don't own a number, but are responsible for the success. When I think about sales enablement, ensuring you have tracking in place to look back and measure what is and is not working is crucial. For quantitative metrics, I track content usage like download rates and view counts, deal attachment where I can see which materials were used in specific opportunities, and conversion rates to understand if deals with enablement mate ...Read More

994 Views
Michael Olson
Michael Olson

Splunk Sr. Director, Product Marketing - Observability • 1y

We track both leading and lagging indicators, from sales enablement asset usage to pipeline and win rates. One of the challenging things about product marketing is that we're string pullers behind the scenes - defining positioning and messaging that gets activated through demand gen campaigns that drive lead generation, but it's the sales team that's actually moving prospects through a buying cycle. So attribution becomes fuzzier. We tend to look at a combination of both leading and lagging indi ...Read More

514 Views
Madeline Ng
Madeline Ng

Google Global Head of Growth Go-to-market, Google Maps Platform • 1y

We focus on sales readiness and perception metrics, though we're working to better track product marketing asset attribution for win rates. Emmy covered most of the key metrics. I'm particularly impressed about being able to assess product marketing asset-related attribution for win rate. It's something we've been trying to tackle but has been difficult to fully get buy-in for, simply because our processes tend to be more manual. If you have tips on how to unlock that particular metric, that wou ...Read More

524 Views

How do you recommend socializing KPIs (before the work starts and when it's done)?

Jon Rooney
Jon Rooney

Box Vice President Product Marketing | Formerly Splunk, New Relic, Microsoft, Unity, Oracle • 3y

The short answer is socialize constantly - it's an "always on" function for internal alignment and awareness. Ideally, any PMM KPIs will clearly map to both top-level company goals (revenue, net retention, product usage) and a shared understanding of "who does what"/"how a bill becomes a law" for your company's GTM motion. If your business is a fast-twitch, bottoms-up, Product Led Growth motion - it needs to be really clear what the PMM team is doing to drive triggers for acquisition, activation ...Read More

563 Views
Other takes (3)
Lindsey Weinig
Lindsey Weinig

Twilio Director of Product Marketing • 1y

Best case, your company has some strategic KPIs that your KPIs can feed into. If there isn't a formalized process for documenting and sharing these, I recommend taking the initiative to do so. Either in a deck or doc, detail your KPIs, how they ladder up into the business KPIs and the cadence (usually quarterly, but sometimes monthly) in which you'll be reporting back on progress. It's also best practice to share with your key stakeholders for feedback prior to finalizing, and then offer some op ...Read More

1,330 Views
Alex Gammelgard
Alex Gammelgard

Wowza VP of Marketing • 4y

A cornerstone of my PMM strategy, and how I set/socialize PMM KPIs is something I call the “state of the customer report.” This is done quarterly, and is a look at the market based off of win/loss interviews, revenue and churn data, competitors, and other insights relevant to company performance. The report establishes where we are seeing the biggest breaks in the sales funnel, biggest gaps in terms of product adoption/NPS, and any other threats/opportunities perceived (for example, a new compet ...Read More

1,204 Views
Madison Springgate
Madison Springgate

Vanta Group Product Marketing Manager | Formerly Twilio, Sauce Labs • 1y

Great question! I agree, when it comes to KPIs, we need to keep everyone on the same page from start to finish. Here’s how I like to approach it: Pre-Kickoff: During campaign planning, I work closely with my partners in marketing to determine what our target account list and KPIs are for the launch. This is when we get aligned, and make sure that everyone understands the purpose behind each metric. During Execution: Then as we work through the campaign, our team is great about sharing regular up ...Read More

497 Views