From my experience, a historically tense relationship comes from a conflict in
the sense that both functions have two irreconcilable points of view or courses
of actions as necessary to fulfill their objectives. Each one sees the other's
point of view as preventing them from achieving their objectives.
I would first advise listing the undesirable effects of such a tense
relationship and then drawing a logic tree to find the root cause of this
tension and identify the conflict. Several types of trees can be used, but one
that I have seen as particularly efficient is the Current Reality Tree
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_reality_tree_(theory_of_constraints).
From that tree, one can deduct an "evaporating cloud"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporating_Cloud) to illustrate the conflict.
With this in hand, I would meet with all the parties and analyze the two graphs,
and usually, this allows for finding which hypothesis was wrong and generated
the conflict.
Correcting the situation and improving the relationship between the two
functions is then easy.
This course of action may be difficult if you are perceived as not being an
impartial party.
if you have never used such tools, it is also advisable to get help from someone
who has already created some.
Revenue Ops Stakeholders
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I've found that returning to the basics of understanding and setting common
goals together helps ease that tension. This tension almost always comes from
some level of misalignment between the functions and some level of the power
struggle between the two. Sometimes acknowledging what those goals are, where
the power struggle comes from (why it's there), and then marching forward
together. Start somewhere small, and come up with one small goal, one small
plan, and one small activity the two functions can do together.
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VP, GTM Strategy & Operations, MURAL • January 23
Short version, RevOps stakeholders evolve as a company grows.
* Single stakeholder or a handful of direct connections with department heads
* Diversification as stakeholder needs become more dependent on
cross-functional efforts, coupled with expansion of RevOps functions
* Fully centralized with hub-spoke relationships across the entire business
* Specialization to support sophistication at scale
This is a function both of the size of the organization and the size of the
RevOps team itself. The partnerships go deeper, not just broader.
* When GTM functions first start establishing "operations" roles, they are
usually dedicated, single stakeholder teams. For example, the first sales ops
analyst will likely report directly into Sales, and the first marketing ops
manager will report directly into marketing. Due to the size of the
organization, these roles will need to work closely with other fairly small
teams. They will work directly with (sometimes a few, if not only one) major
stakeholder in Finance, PDE, and GTM.
* As each pillar of the business expands, the operational needs and dependency
on other units grows as well. Sales, Marketing, and CS will all start to have
increasingly complicated needs as their functions become more thoughtful,
proactive and far reaching. This fosters a variety of interconnected
initiatives. This is compounded when we account for the maturity at scale of
Finance, Product and Engineering.
* Inevitably, operations roles will (and should) be consolidated into a central
operations team. What started as a mini-web of 3 pixel bolded connected lines
evolved into a more refined and structured hub-spoke model. There is now
multiple points of contact with multiple stakeholders across every facet of
the business.
* Then, as the organization reaches major enterprise scale, the ability to
maintain this complex network yields diminishing returns. At this point, we
see organizations evolve structure of the hub-spoke model into clearly
defined specialized lanes where roles and responsibilities reflective of
their partners. The knowledge required to be an effective partner requires
the capacity to invest the time to be an expert on the breath and depth of
now very sophisticated and deep business functions.
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VP, GTM Strategy & Operations, MURAL • January 23
Earlier in my career exposure to the C-Suite was understandably in more
controlled, scheduled environments. At an analyst level, and sometimes even at a
manager level opportunities to directly connect with the C-Suite are few and far
between. I am a firm believer that exposure matters.
It is the responsibility of every leader out there to look for opportunities to
uplift and uplevel their teams by giving them the time in the spotlight. I had
some notable mentors in the past who believed this as well and worked to create
those moments for me. These moments fit into two buckets:
1. Visibility: I was able to sit-in and observe strategic discussions that would
inevitably lead to action items. These were incredibly important as this enabled
me to see the dynamics between leaders, how effective and ineffective
collaborative communication worked, and how strategy transformed into the
tactical.
* My managers would "bounce" ideas off me in the session, putting the focus
briefly on me while gathering my tactical input.
* I would be responsible for the meeting notes, sending recaps and documented
decisions.
* I would work with my manager on next steps, bringing back updates in follow
up syncs.
Some examples:
* Weekly forecast calls
* Revenue reconciliation efforts post M&A
* Strategy meetings on headcount planning for business development, customer
success, and support
* Workshops on territory planning for mid-year or fiscal year changes
* Workshops to build requirements on the product roadmap for a new integration
between the product and Salesforce
2. Delivery: Presentations on major initiatives. I was either the lead, or
co-lead working on a significant project that supported a company wide
objective. These would be presented to senior managers and likely a couple
members of the C-Suite.
* These would be scheduled in advance by my manager, with pre-read materials
sent at least a day in advance.
* I would work closely with them to build the story, and messaging within the
deck, to ensure it was clear what we were looking for: whether that was
constructive feedback, approval or guidance on next steps.
* There were dedicated sections where I would be the primary speaker, conveying
insights to those able to make fundamental decisions.
Some examples:
* The decision on a new customer success platform
* The progress updates and final version of a customer health score
* The read out of newly built AE, SDR and CSM scorecards
* Implementing a novel, predictive model for an ICP
* Building out pro forma analysis on pipeline impacts from competitive pressure
This is just scratching the surface.
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VP, GTM Strategy & Operations, MURAL • January 23
I think this is a great question, because RevOps as a role becomes exponentially
more impactful the more stakeholders that we have bi-directional, empowering
relationships. New and existing RevOps teams should constantly evaluate how they
are delivering for their stakeholders, and proactively gather feedback to build
this positive improvement loop. We need to build upon trust and
accountability.
Let's first define what is momentum. I see this as a two different scenarios.
* You are likely looking for a C-level executive to be a champion for your
initiatives, to act as a sponsor and use their influence and relationships on
your behalf. This applies in both situations where RevOps has a seat at the
leadership table and does not, and senior collaboration is critical for
getting C-Suite attention.
* You are new to an organization, and eager to make a big impact. You are
weighing where and with whom do you focus your efforts, knowing this is a
stepping stone to broader organization wide change.
In RevOps, your time is precious, and the initiatives and leaders you support
implies that there will be others that you will support less (until capacity
becomes available or increases of course). There is no magic answer here,
because this alignment is conditional on the current objectives of the
business.
1. Make sure you know, in granular detail, the strategic objectives for your
organization in the current half and fiscal year.
2. Internalize the message from the leadership team. Be able to explain what
is important right now, and what focus areas are cascaded down to the
various teams. There is definitely at least one direction the ELT is leading
the organization, maybe a few. This can be a number of things: like focusing
on customer growth, reducing churn, building a high performance new business
team, implementing consistent quarterly marketing campaigns, driving
penetration/attachment rates of multiple products across the customer base,
etc.
3. With that in mind, examine the teams accountable for delivering on that
objective. Those C-level leaders and their respective teams are going to be
the best candidates for your alignment and proactive focus. I think it will
be a theme in my responses today, but everything needs to be tied to a
measurable (and believable) revenue impact. If your organization for example
is focusing on churn, and building the infrastructure and strategy to
mitigate it. Perhaps your organization has a Chief Customer Officer, with
respective CS leadership. Maybe you have a joint team reporting to a CRO,
where CS and Account Management leaders will be working side by side.
4. Look at their priorities, and the current state of the business in respect
to the change that needs to happen. To be a partner, you need to be an
expert on their business, as if it were your own. Invest the time to build
an intimate understanding of the nuts and bolts of their organization's day
to day and how they work towards delivering towards that strategic
objective.
5. Get time with the accountable leaders. Pick their brain. Trust their input,
as they see problems and opportunities through a different lens than you.
Relationships take work, in every aspect of our lives. You need to show that
you are committing the time to listen and internalize their way of thinking.
6. Start block and tackling these big initiatives into bite sized wins
distributed across, now, soon and later timelines. Partner with their teams,
aligning on these specific bodies of work, and get to work. Use your
skillset to deliver insights, process, data, and systemic wins to build
credibility for your efforts.
7. Repeat. This takes time, and as you progress you will be able to look back
and see just how much momentum you built.
P.S. If you are a new RevOps leader, or are going to be joining as a new leader,
pick up the book The First 90 Days. Some of it may seem obvious but it is a
great playbook to bolster your communication ability to establish those
relationships early.
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Head of Product Marketing, LottieFiles | Formerly WeLoveNoCode (made $3.6M ARR), Abstract, Flawless App (sold) • December 2
Getting resources is challenging. Everyone in the company needs a budget for
their initiatives.
So to influence the leadership to allocate more resources to your initiatives,
you will need to make a strong case that demonstrates the value and potential
return on investment of your projects. This might involve:
1. Identifying the key business objectives (OKRs) that your initiatives will
support: Before you approach the C-Suite, take the time to understand the
key business objectives of your startup and identify how your initiatives
will help to achieve those objectives faster.
2. Gathering data and evidence to support your case: Use data and evidence to
support your initiative. This might include product analytics, market
research, customer feedback, financial projections.
3. Developing a clear and compelling proposal: Put together a clear and
compelling proposal that outlines the goals and objectives of your
initiatives, the resources you need, and the potential return on investment
(ROMI).
4. Building relationships with executives: Build relationships with C-Suite
executives and understand their priorities and concerns. This will help you
tailor your proposal and address any objections or concerns they may have.
5. Being persistent and flexible: Be persistent in advocating for your
initiatives and seek out opportunities to present your proposal to
executives. Be prepared to adapt your proposal and address any feedback or
concerns they may have.
Good luck!
VP, GTM Strategy & Operations, MURAL • January 22
This is an interesting question, because new resources can mean quite a few
things. I will look at this question through the lens of RevOps securing more
budget for additional headcount and/or technology.
The short version: The story for RevOps resources needs to be told through the
lens of growing the business. If your story does not tie to measurable business
outcomes, chances are your ask will have little to no traction.
Very few people within an organization would doubt the performance, and need for
a staffed revops team, coupled with a well designed and implemented GTM tech
stack. That said, we are not the only team within a company looking to secure
more budget to staff up and bring in the tools needed to support our
stakeholders. Even then, the most effective story still might not work. The
needs of the business and the decision making of the C-Suite may necessitate
those funds be used elsewhere/
Whenever I make the case for resouces I first decide which business outcome am I
most clearly aligned to for this specific ask. That is very important, you
cannot paint every ask for budget with the same brush.
* "Offensive" Play: This resource is used to unlock revenue, through enabling
us to do something we were not able to do before.
* "Defensive" Play: This resource is used to protect revenue, usually through
risk mitigation.
Regardless of play type, the execution is nearly the same. Interestingly, this
mirrors many of the other insight driven tactics I use for other needs of the
business.
1. Tell your audience what they need to know, be up front what you resource you
are asking for. Do not bury the lead.
2. Why is this resource important? Keep it short, and specifically call out
what business impact this resource is driving, make it measurable.
3. Clearly state the alternatives, there is always alternatives even if you do
not like them. It is important to include this as it frames the context of
the problem and the opportunity cost of moving forward or not.
Offensive/Unlock Revenue Example:
Hiring a new RevOps analyst dedicated to supporting the Business Development
team.
In this scenario, we try to convey what we can do with an additional resource
that we could not viably tackle before.
Let's say that we currently have 2 full time analysts on the team, one dedicated
to supporting the Account Management and Customer Success teams, and the other
dedicated to supporting Business Development and the New Business Account
Executives. As the organization grew, the operational needs of the BDRs have
grown substantially. What was once easily supported by a single analyst, is not
so anymore. The BDR team wants to move to monthly blitzes, which requires weekly
dedicated time for list building, contact sourcing, and technical support for
10+ BDRs.
You as a RevOps leader want to hire an additional analyst dedicated to the BDR
team. A short deck works here, and make sure you partner with your stakeholder
to put this together. In this case, partnering with the leader of your business
development team is critical.
* State up front the role you are looking to create, and the estimated cost. We
want to create a position within the RevOps team for a new Sales Operations
Analyst, dedicated to supporting Business Development, with a target start
date of [Start_Date]. We expect the OTE of this role to be [X].
* Pick 1-2 initiatives that they will be supporting and provide a measurable
impact. It does not hurt to work with FP&A on this, as they can provide some
insight into how this can positively impact your CAC. With a dedicated
resource, we can pivot to monthly outbound blitzes against our target account
list. Current capacity does not support our ability to do this any more than
once per quarter. Our sales activity data supports that moving to a monthly
program can increase our SQOs by 22%, by increasing our account coverage.
Based on our current sales velocity this will result in $[X] more bookings in
Q2.
* End your summary slide with a clear statement of the alternatives. In order
to support this type of program with existing resources, we would need to
deprioritize X, Y and Z to free up capacity on the existing team. This is not
ideal as those directly support [insert key initiatives and the business
metrics tied to them.] Alternatively, we maintain the current BDR prospecting
cadence with minimal operational improvements, resulting in the current [X]
meetings set per month.
* Include some supporting slides with additional details.
* Make sure your GTM stakeholder can provide some support and insight into the
roadblocks they are experiencing and how they believe this role can be a game
changer.
* Build a concise and clear role and responsibilities 1-pager. When this
analyst is fully ramped, what are they doing? This is going to be your job
description.
Defensive/Protect Revenue Example: Purchasing a calendaring tool for the sales
team to assist in scheduling new meetings with prospects and customers.
In this scenario, we have identified an operational inefficiency. We want to fix
it, because of the revenue risk it poses. Inefficiencies alone are not
compelling unless it specifically impacts revenue performance.
* Again, state up what you are asking for, and how much it will cost. We want
to purchase [Calendaring_Tool] for our New Business teams. We estimate this
to cost $[X,000] per year for approximately [Y] licenses.
* Pick a metric tied to the operational efficiency and pull it through to the
revenue impact. Our current appointment setting approach is highly manual,
and is only available within a rep's personal calendar. Our Discovery Meeting
attendance rate is below target benchmarks at 55%, the gap primarily due to a
high volume of no shows. We estimate this is resulting in a loss of [X] new
SQOs per month, and based on our current sales velocity, that's a loss of
[$Z] bookings per quarter. We estimate implementing this tool with its
automated meeting reminders would result in conservative [A%] reduction of no
shows, resulting in an increase of [X] completed meetings, [Y] new
opportunities and [$Z] in new bookings per quarter.
* Explore the alternatives, how would you build this in house? How long would
it take? Would it work? If left unattended do you expect this problem to get
worse? What would be the impact on pipeline, and revenue for these other
options?
As I said before, there is no guarantee that these will work. But, from my
experience you better your odds of success with this approach.
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VP, GTM Strategy & Operations, MURAL • January 22
My interactions with the C-Suite fall into several major buckets.
* 1:1's [CEO, Chief Revenue Officer, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Marketing
Officer, Chief Product Officer, etc.]: Depending on the role, these can vary
from weekly to monthly depending on the level of dependency of our functions.
Where close alignment on a daily basis is required, this will be more weekly.
There are important as we can have effective, and transparent conversations
to ensure we are aligned on strategic initiatives as well as tackle more
tactical items that have surfaced.
* Weekly Rhythm of Business: [CEO, CRO, CMO, CFO] This is the operating
cadence, and lifeblood of the business's momentum including a variety of
collaborative, multi-department meetings. These are the expected Weekly Sales
Forecast, Pipeline Health, Leadership meetings across Sales, CS, Marketing
and Finance.
* Less Frequent or Seasonal Rhythm of Business [CEO, CRO, CMO, CFO, CPO]: These
are usually sessions where weekly syncs do not make sense due to the time
needed for meaningful change to occur. They require time between sessions for
enough progress to warrant a discussion on updates and potential direction.
Here we can find pricing and packaging strategy, product roadmaps, GTM
strategy and prioritization, and fiscal year planning.
* Strategic Updates [Audience dependent]: This is the "non-regular" bucket,
where cross-functional leadership is present in order to ensure we have
strategic alignment on specific initiatives. These are scheduled in advance,
with signifiant pre-work to ensure the meeting is as productive as possible.
Due to the nature of the attendee list, this is where we aim for a specific
outcome, whether that is approval on next steps, or re-alignment on new
directions.
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VP, GTM Strategy & Operations, MURAL • January 22
There is a behavior the RevOps teams of all seniority levels can work on, and
should constantly work to improve. We have a tendency to assume everyone can
read the data like we do, and we send reports when instead we should have sent
insights.
But, what exactly does that mean? Let us explore an example.
RevOps, as a data centric profession, means that we are closer to the numbers
that define business performance more than most other teams within the
organization. As a result, that familiarity fosters a false perception that what
we see in the data is obvious to everyone else.
Situation: A Chief Revenue Officer asks: "What does our pipeline look like for
Q1?"
* A first instinct here could be to run over to Salesforce, put together a
quick dashboard with a few reports capturing the open opportunities. Maybe we
add some additional reporting, visualizing sales activities, like meetings
and prospecting, as leading indicators of future pipeline potential.
* We then merrily copy the link to the dashboard and send it over email. Slack,
or Teams "Here's the view on our pipeline! Let me know if you have any
questions." Mission accomplished right?
The problem here, is that instead of leveraging the data mastery, and expertise
over the data to tell a story, we sent a a wall of graphs. This puts the burden
on the CRO to decipher the data to determine what action needs to be taken
next.
Situation Re-imagined - What a RevOps partner hears: "What risk is in our
pipeline for Q1? Where do I need to invest resources and partner with other
teams to accelerate pipeline growth?"
* Just like before, we can run over to our data sources of truth, in this case
Salesforce. Again, we put together a phenomenal dashboard.
* We review the data, and look for the areas that are going well, as well as
where we are weak.
* Potentially we find that we have strong mid-market pipeline coverage, but we
are struggling to generate enterprise pipeline.
* To ensure we are not jumping to conclusions, we dig deeper, investigating the
pipeline health by going one layer down to investigate pipeline age. We also
dig into the distribution between Inbound and Outbound, questioning if it is
performing as expected across our segments. Are we seeing any notable changes
in conversion rates, activity or channel mix?
Next, we package a synopsis for our stakeholder - a summary that can be ready in
< 3 minutes:
* What do they critically need to know? Our Q1 pipeline is at risk, due to
insufficient pipegen in Q4, coupled with an aging pipeline that is masking
the shortfall of our pipeline coverage.
* Data driven observations on why that's the case: We have seen a significant
decline in our outbound pipeline generation efficacy across enterprise, this
is further complicated by a decline in inbound conversion rates from meetings
to active pipeline, even though we have had no meaningful change in the
personas through that channel. Over 35% of our pipeline slated to close in Q1
has been pushed out repeatedly from Q3 of the previous fiscal year.
* What do we need to do to fix it? Let's bring in our marketing partners and
put together a new campaign to re-engage cold opportunities from Q3 and Q4.
Let's evaluate our target account lists, and see if we can put together
microsegmentation for an outbound blitz.
Reframing how we addressed the question allows us to save back and forth, and
get right to the action. RevOps plays a key role in enabling our C-level
stakeholders to move quickly and rally resources to address a business problem.
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Vice President of Global Sales Operations, SaaS, LinkedIn • January 6
Although I am not a Systems expert, I have experienced this challenge as part of
my RevOps career. From my standpoint, the root cause maps to the fact that most
CRM Systems are built with the "Sales" use case at its core, and often the
workflows and capabilities for Customer Success and Support can be limited.
A separate ticketing system for CS is not an issue on its own; however, if you
respond "Yes" to any of the questions below, you might have an opportunity to
enhance your Tech stack:
- Do Sales Reps have proactive visibility and alerts on CS tickets?
- If a Customer mentions a CS ticket to a Sales Rep, can they check the status
and interact with the ticket (i.e. ask for an update)?
- Are there clearly defined SLAs, and are CS teams accountable for the SLAs?
- Is the ticket data ingested in Data Warehouse and aggregated with account and
opportunity data, in order to enable effective performance reporting?
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Director, Revenue Operations, Checkr • December 4
It’s not uncommon for leadership to fixate on sales because it’s very easy to
see the result: I hire one sales person, I get $X in incremental revenue. But
the fact of the matter is that you can’t have sustainable revenue growth without
retaining customers.
For this problem in particular, I’d focus on two things:
1. Breaking down revenue growth to show retention as part of the equation. For
revenue this year, what % came from existing customers vs. new sales. If
upsells and expansion live in CS, break this out separately. The drivers of
revenue growth are NRR and net new sales/new customer acquisition. Both are
necessary.
2. Highlighting the impact of a CSM. As I mentioned, it’s easy to see the
direct impact of adding a sales rep (i.e. their quota, $X in
bookings/revenue). The goal is to get to something similar for a CSM. This
will depend on what CSMs are responsible for at your company (e.g. renewals,
upsell/expansion, customer health, product adoption). If CS is responsible
for renewals, show % of customers that renew and LTV of customers with and
without a CSM.
Vice President of Global Sales Operations, SaaS, LinkedIn • January 6
At LinkedIn we use the TAM (Total Addressable Market) approach to tackle this
problem. First, we separate the "New Business TAM" from the "Existing Business
TAM", in order to understand penetration and "headroom" in each category.
Startups, early stage companies (and even mature companies potentially) tend to
have a "New Business TAM" that vastly exceeds their "Existing Business TAM".
This tends to be the main reason companies prioritize New Business over Existing
Business.
A secondary and more mundane reason is, from a financial standpoint, all new
business sales contribute to growth; however, a flat renewal has zero growth
contribution.
I believe both motions are critical to achieve short and long term growth
aspirations. A B2B Tech firm should have a well oiled New Business Engine
(Marketing Lead Generation -> Sales Development -> Sales Hunters/ Closers) to
capture the New Business TAM as fast as possible. At the same time, we know that
successful customers tend to expand their relationships with LinkedIn over time,
leading to revenue growth. Therefore having a Go-to-Market model that ensures
value is being delivered to customers is also critical for future growth.
P.s.: in SaaS, it can be difficult to measure growth within existing customers -
especially when a portion of customers are on multi-year deals. A "same store
sales methodology" can be an effective way to measure existing customer growth.
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Vice President of Global Sales Operations, SaaS, LinkedIn • January 6
Correlation between Go-to-Market actions and renewal success is one of the most
studied areas in SaaS firms. Although the answer will vary for each firm, having
a data driven point of view on actions and indicators that lead to positive
renewal outcomes is imperative. Examples of actions and indicators:
- Seat utilization
- Renewal meeting 90 days ahead of renewal date
- Account continuity
- Customer-specific metrics (e.g. HC growth)
- Documented and updated customer objectives
With clarity around actions and indicators that influence renewal outcomes, the
next step is to define:
- Which team own each action/ indicator? Roles and resposibilities/ "swim lanes"
- What "good looks like" for each action and indicator?
- How to report performance against each?
- How to ensure accountability?
In my experience, the "blame game" as referred comes from lack of clarity and
alignment on the steps above.